egg Braden: Hello, this is Gregg Braden and it’s an honor to be here on the Guerrilla News Network.

I think the kind of information that GNN is bringing is especially key at this time in our lives because there is a shift in belief systems, in paradigm, that’s unfolding both at the grassroots level, as well as in some of the scientific and accredited academic institutions. We’re finding evidence of a relationship, today, that apparently was very well known in ancient traditions and that Western science forgot about seventeen hundred years ago. And we’re just now finding evidence of that relationship again.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this 'relationship' and how it directly applies to what you refer to as a paradigm shift? And, also, what do you say to people who have trouble believing in something that they cannot readily, physically see?

Well, that relationship says to us that there is a power that lives within each individual, that walks this Earth, and that it has the power to bring a lasting healing to our bodies, a lasting peace to our world and, perhaps, avert even the greatest tragedies ever to face humankind. People say to me all the time, "If this power exists, where is it? Why don’t we hear about it today and why aren’t we using it in our world today?" And the answer to that question will lead us on a little journey – my personal journey – of how this information has come about.

My background is in the hard sciences – I’m an Earth scientist, a geologist. I have also worked in aerospace and computer science and what I can say is, in my formal and academic training absolutely nothing prepared me for the kinds of information that we are going to talk about in these next few moments: the relationships between what happens in the unseen worlds of our emotions and our feelings and the physical world around us. When I was in the industry, I had the opportunity to see direct evidence of tremendous shifts on our world – changes in the Earth’s magnetic fields, for example. And my first thought was, 'well if this is happening to the Earth, what does that mean to us? What does it mean to our bodies?' And I would ask my colleagues, geophysicists and highly esteemed seismologists, and I’d say, "Well what does this mean to us?" And they would say pretty much, "I’m a geologist don’t ask me, ask a life scientist." And I would ask my life science friends and they would say almost apologetically, "You know, my training is with the biology of the human body. We were never really told about how our bodies interface with the world around us."

And of course we know that’s changing now and that there is a direct measurable connection between what happens inside our bodies and the world around us. And it’s a two-way connection.

So people say, "If this is true, why don’t we know about it?" And what I can say briefly in response to that is that we know of at least two times in human history, in recorded human history, when the chain of knowledge that links the modern day world to the ancient traditions has been broken. There is a chain of wisdom that has been handed down from generation to generation, and we know that, at least twice, this chain has been broken to some degree.

The first of these was with the great library of Alexandria in Egypt – 48 BC. Now many people have heard about this library and very few people really, I’ve discovered, really understand what was in this library and the implications of losing a tremendous library like this. The Roman historians said that over 532,000 documents recording the history of human kind and our relationship to the Earth were in this library and they were already old in 48 BC. Almost all universally ancient texts and traditions – they say to us that there was a time in the history of our world and the people of our world when the wisdom of the heavens was given intact to the people of this Earth – the secrets of our origins, our relationships to one another, how we love one another, how we heal our bodies, our relationship to the cosmos. That information, apparently, has been with us for a very long time. It has been fragmented and lost as it has been passed down through history. And the loss of this Alexandrian library was certainly an important part of that.

The second break in this chain of knowledge that we know of, was at the time that Biblical scholars openly now acknowledge the tremendous edits that occurred in the 4th century AD - 325 AD to be specific – of the texts that would later become our Western King James version of the Bible. What we know now is that during the 4th century, there was no nice neat biblical text the way we see it today. It was a loose assemblage of manuscripts, scrolls, and documents. Some of them were redundant, some of them were mystical, some of them were poorly written. And the Emperor Constantine pulled together a council in the 4th century and said, "Council, make me some recommendations. How can this information be more meaningful to the people of our time?" And in that time, the 4th century, it was a largely uneducated audience that they were speaking to. The council came back and recommended that 25 complete books of the Biblical texts be removed entirely and another 20 supporting documents be taken from the masses and reserved for scholars and elite priesthoods. So we know of at least 45 texts that disappeared and that the remaining texts were edited and reworded and reordered to make them more meaningful. So the text that remains, it’s a very good text – and I think we all agree the text is meaningful in our lives, however we also agree pretty much that it seems fragmented in places. Where are the women in the Bible, for example? The missing years of Jesus – they are missing because they were edited.

So we find evidence of these kinds of information in some of the archaeological discoveries of the 20th century - the Dead Sea scrolls being one of the keys. The Dead Sea scrolls - the library of ancient texts that were hidden in the first century after the crucifixion of Christ - they were recorded by a sect called the ancient Essenes - wisdom holders of this kind of information - and they recorded and hid their libraries before the edits of the 4th century. They were being persecuted – they fled the Middle East, and when they did so, they expected they would return some day. But, obviously, they never did. In 1946, we began discovering these scrolls and lo and behold, scholars were finding in 2,500 year old texts, Biblical documents that we had never seen before. And they said, 'My God, how come we’ve never seen these kinds of information before?'

And that is the source of the controversy.

To this day we have not seen all the Dead Sea scrolls, nor have they all been translated. And the ones that have, have not all been released. So, in essence, what we are saying -and this is pretty much acknowledged by scientists and scholars as well - is that, today, our scientific principles, our history, our medical technologies, the way that we view our relationship to one another and our world… at very best we have to say, as good as it is, it’s incomplete. And now that we are finding all this information again, we have to ask ourselves what does it mean in our world? If we could magically reduce all of this information from the Temples and the texts that have been discovered in the last two hundred years into a couple of key elements, what we would see is that almost universally, these ancient traditions say to us that there is a power that lives within us. The power is derived from a relationship. They say that we are linked, that every cell of the human body is linked with every aspect of creation – rocks, trees, plants, animals - we are all linked through a web, what the ancients called a web of an unseen energy. And now quantum science is finding precisely the same thing is happening, and now we’re calling it the 'quantum hologram' – a very technical word for what the ancients called the web of creation.

And, to make a long story very brief, the experimental evidence is showing conclusively that there is a web of energy that relates us. And what it says to us is that we are not isolated in our world – that the things that we do in our lives and even perhaps more importantly, the things that we feel in our bodies, our feeling world, is the basis of an internal technology that we forgot about when these texts were edited 1,700 years ago. It’s our feeling world of the emotions that Western civilization - primarily Western males - have been encouraged to forget about. That it is the power of human emotion that generates wrinkles in this field of energy that affects our bodies, affects the DNA in our cells and affects the world around us in ways that modern science is just beginning to understand, although the ancient traditions were very clear about this relationship.

So, people often ask me, they say, "Now you come from a world of science, why do you spend so much of your time looking at these ancient texts?" And I’ll address that just very briefly. It’s not that there is any power in the ancient texts. We’re not empowering the texts per se. What we know is that there is a universal theme that plays out through ancient traditions that says that this wisdom of the heavens was given to the people of the Earth in a complete and intact form in a language over six thousand years old. And we have that language today and the language hasn’t changed. So, to us, it sounds very Biblical - thees and thou shalts and thou shalt nots… so that happened on the one hand. And on the other hand, Western science is only a few hundred years old and has begun to rediscover the same principles that we find in the ancient texts. However, they are rediscovering them in little bits and pieces and they are struggling with how those bits and pieces fit together. So if we have the wisdom to do so, I believe what we may do - and we’re doing it in our research - is to look at what modern science is saying and where there is a gap. Then go back to the ancient records and see, in the language of the 6,000 year old texts, how that gap is filled in and translate that into the language of modern science. And lo and behold there is a story unfolding that is shaking the foundation of modern physics and modern science on the one hand, while empowering the masses to make a difference, to participate in the outcome of our world and what happens inside of our bodies. This inner technology we know actually triggers key codon sets - key switches of human dna - giving us enhanced immune systems, healing our bodies in ways that have seemed mystical and magical in the past. And it is a science. It is a technology.

Let me ask you, could you define, for those who have no idea what zero-point energy is, can you define it and explain what this revolutionary idea – how it challenges so profoundly the paradigm that governs Western science right now?

Sure. The question comes up often of zero point energy and to answer, I am going to back off slightly and make a general statement and then I’ll become specific.

Once again, when we go to the ancient traditions, what we find is that in the space that we’ve always called 'nothing' – when we look at a model of an atom, for example, we have a nucleus in the middle and we have an electron out here somewhere and we always thought it was empty space in between, or in the space between the planets from our Sun to Mercury and from Mercury to Venus we’ve always thought that was just empty space. What modern science, quantum physics, is finding now is that there is a form of energy – it’s a non-conventional form of energy. We haven’t recognized it because our machines have not been able to measure it. Our machines never looked for it, but it’s in this form of energy that there’s potential for creation and this web of energy is a potential form of energy. It is not energy that has been actualized. It’s essentially - you can think of it metaphorically, as a dormant or a sleeping energy. Zero point energy is the term used for our ability to tap into that infinite supply of energy from this web of information that surrounds all of creation and translate that energy into something usable in our worldly lives – to power our homes, to run our vehicles, to power our world grid - and it is a very real energy source and there is some very good work that is going on in that respect right now.

Let me ask you – there obviously are very powerful interests that control the industries of energy… mineral extraction, fossil fuel exploitation. Will they fight this new information and the evolutions that it heralds for our planet? Are they already?

That’s a good question. I come from that industry. My degree is in the Earth sciences – technically, I’m a geologist with a background in computer and life sciences. And I saw this back in the 70s when we had the oil Embargo for example. For the first time, the United States saw a shortage of energy that we hadn’t seen before. Many readers may remember long lines at the gas pumps or maybe not.

What we are finding is there are always two ways to go about introducing a new paradigm and I think this is a very good example. There are some who would radically say, toss the oil industry aside and let’s go for this new form of energy and when we do that I feel that we really haven’t served our interests. People are threatened, they are frightened and our oil industry has worked so well that it has brought us to where we are today – it’s a very good, very powerful industry. What I personally believe is that we can work with those large corporations because they are finding scenarios playing out in the world that even they did not expect and behind closed doors are saying, 'We don’t know what to do.' So I believe there’s a way to work together and say, 'Yes, we need our fossil reserves for the foreseeable future. And let’s blend in these new technologies where it makes sense to do so – where we can’t ship fossil fuels because it’s in the presence of a wildlife reserve or in the Middle East where we don’t want to run thousands of miles of power lines.' This is where I think these alternative sources can be very useful and actually go a long ways toward bringing peace in our world.

Good point. The next part of your research has been about the tangible relationship between human emotions and our DNA strand and how that impacts healing. Can you describe this phenomenon and explain what you have found as evidence of its validity – I believe that there was some very conclusive evidence…

Sure. Well, when I was in school back in the 70s, the late 70s, my classical training in the life sciences taught me that human DNA is a fixed code – that what we have genetically in our bodies when we are born is what we have all of our lives. What modern science is showing conclusively, now, is that that simply is not the case. It is true that we come in with a preset code – you can almost think of it like a factory setting from the factory of the cosmos - to get us going in life. But what we now know is that as we make choices in our lives that affect human emotions, those emotions actually turn switches of DNA off and on in our bodies.

Now let me be more specific.

When we find ourselves living a life of anger and rage and hate and jealousy and fear – those are the words of the language we use – that translates to a chemistry in our body that actually defeats life in our bodies. There is what we call a 'hate' chemistry and a love chemistry. So when anger and rage and hate and jealousy rule us (and sometimes we don’t even know when we are having those emotions) our immune systems are compromised. Our bodies don’t heal the way they could have healed – cells, cuts on your hands don’t heal the same way. There is an antibody called SIGA in your saliva. It’s your first line of defense. When we are angry, that saliva SIGA antibody decreases and makes us susceptible to opportunistic infections. On the other hand, when we find ourselves in the presence of compassion, love, understanding, forgiveness, gratitude, that’s the terminology in the English language that translates to a chemistry in our bodies that affirms and supports life, we have tremendously enhanced SIGA antibodies in our saliva. Our immune systems are tremendously enhanced. And I’m just going to tell you how far this is going.

A study was done in 1998, the first time a global blood study was done to find out how bad the AIDS epidemic really is on a global scale – the first time blood had been taken from people of all the nations for this study. And one of the first things researchers found, and it was just an amazing thing for them to be able to see, was that there is a mutation that is occurring in human genes in this generation that allows us to have a tremendously enhanced immune system against the HIV virus. Now this is an amazing thing to be able to say because, in the 1980s when we discovered AIDS, we said there is no cure. Whenever anybody tests positive it’s only a matter of time, and it’s terminal. And there were speculations that the entire world could be infected and eliminated through the HIV virus. That simply is not true now because humans have shifted something in their consciousness - their belief systems that translates to emotion and feeling in their bodies. And for some people now, they have actually changed the genetic code in their bodies. The University of Alabama at Birmingham has done studies with this and the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, right here in New York City, was responsible for doing the studies. They might have very different conclusions about what’s happening but they are showing conclusively there is what’s called a spontaneous genetic mutation happening in human populations. To make a long story brief again, the common denominator, what changed these people’s genes is their belief systems – we believe. That’s the only thing that we found that was in common with all of them. They didn’t give in to the possibility of losing their lives and they weren’t angry about what happened and they said we are going to chose a new belief system, where we honor life in our everyday world and by doing that they also find that their body responds in the same way.

Let me ask you because we were talking to Stanislav Grof about how he would diagnose the paradigm, the current psycho-spiritual status of our Western paradigm in terms of a medical perspective. And it would be interesting to get your perspective on this. If we were to diagnose the paradigm and say that right now we are working towards a status which is maybe uncontrollable, unmanageable, unlivable – what would you say these discoveries tell us about what we need to do and about what kind of future we can imagine?

Well, I have to preface that by saying that I am an optimist. And I believe that my optimism is well founded, based on what I see happening with human populations all over the world. I travel the world to remote monasteries in Tibet and the Andes mountains in Peru and in the tribes, and all through Egypt and Bolivia and then the desert southwest and I’m seeing something happening in people universally. There is a new respect and honoring of life and I’m seeing that mirrored in the way that we go about our daily lives. At the end of 1999, right before the millennium, a panel was convened of some of the greatest minds or what are believed to be some of the greatest minds in our world representing different disciplines – scientists, researchers, religious leaders, spiritual leaders - and the question that was posed to them was what do you see in store for humankind during these first couple of decades of the new millennium? And almost universally, they spoke of the increased communications and the Internet and all those things. And they had never had this discussion before and they began one by one to say that they felt, within the near future, humankind will face the greatest challenges ever recorded in human history. Whether it’s a disease epidemic or whether it’s global warming, they said something is going to happen in these next twenty years that we do not have the outer technology to address – and when that happens we will chose one of two paths. We’ll either fight with tools that don’t work, or we’ll remember an internal technology that will make a difference in our world. And I think that that’s where we are going with this.

I believe that the outer technology… there’s a school of thought in the indigenous traditions - and I’ll be very brief with this – that says when we build machines in our world, that is actually us so longing to remember our relationship within, that we model outside of our bodies what we actually do inside. And it’s true when you think about it. Every machine that’s ever built - the circuits, the transistors, resistors, capacitors – they transmit, they broadcast energy – we do that in every cell of our body. Every cell of our body has 1.17 volts of electrical potential. We transmit, we receive, we are capacitors, we are resistors… So this ancient tenet says that in our building this very complex technology, it’s because we so long to have the memory out here reminding us of who we are in here, that we do that until all of a sudden we get it and we say, 'You know, we don’t need this stuff out here anymore because we are the technology.'

And I believe not that we are going to go to a primitive society of any kind, but I believe that we are moving to a very sophisticated society where we need less technology out here to support what’s happening in here. And I’m seeing that happen at the same time. It’s a birth and a death simultaneously. I’m seeing the death of all of the paradigms that have served us so well that they brought us to this moment. So they worked and they aren’t bad, they aren’t good. It’s just the path we chose and now they’re dying away in the presence of the birth of something new. And this is the generation where this happens and this is why it’s so exciting. It’s the first time in recorded human history we’ve have the technological power at our fingertips to either destroy all that we love and hold dear, or to remember our relationship to one another and the Earth and the cosmos and honor that relationship and forever preserve those things that we love and hold dear.

It’s happening this generation right now.

Wow. That's really inspiring. On the subject of Earth and the cosmos, let me ask you this: You obviously believe in a guiding hand, and all-seeing intelligence – a god, whatever the word –

Yes and no.

Ok, but in consideration of the fact that we have lost information and that it is now resurfacing in our consciousness and through our scientific research, do you believe that that’s all part of the divine plan – that the puzzle is there but we need to rediscover it? And how does evolution link to this sort of treasure hunt for the hidden history of the human potential?

Well, first of all, there is a question that has been asked by humankind since the earliest records of recorded history that we have found and it’s asked in almost every group that I am with today. And the question simply asked is:

Why are we here?

And…

What are we doing here?

What is this insanity and all this madness all about?

And, although it means different things to different people, in the recovery of some of the ancient Essene texts, they asked themselves the same question twenty-five hundred years ago. And they said something that touched me very deeply when I first read it and now, as I apply it in my life, it means even more and more. Essentially, what the Essenes say to us is that we have come to this world to have an experience here that can only be experienced in a world like this. They say that without exception, every human that walks this Earth, every man, every woman, every child, regardless of their level of intelligence or their physical abilities, is a highly evolved, highly sophisticated being who has successfully achieved a life - maybe without a body - in another world, in what they called the heavens. Now that they have achieved that level of mastery they’ve come to this world to do something that can only be done in this world – and what they say is this, they say we’ve come to this world for one reason above all other reasons.

That we are here to love and to find a love in this world greater than the love of the angels of the heavens.

They say that what we do in this world, without even consciously knowing it – I’m not saying this is a conscious thing – but we find ourselves in relationships with one another – friendships, marriages, corporations, families, with our Earth, with God, or our perception of God - those are all relationships. And in those relationships, we push ourselves to the very edge of who we believe that we are. Sometimes we push ourselves right over the edge and then, in the presence of that, we find ourselves in tremendous suffering and pain with the atrocities as well as the joy and the gratitude and the compassion that comes with those things. They say the only way that we survive is through our love and that every time we find a way to love ourselves out of the suffering of this world here, that that love is honored and mirrored by all the angels and all the heavens. It says the angels in the heavens have learned new ways to love through the experiences they can’t have, that we are having here.

Then the texts go on to say - and I’m going to use their language and then the listeners can translate this to whatever they would like - the text goes on to say that the only difference between the angels in the heavens and the angels that walk this Earth is that the angels in the heavens know that they are angels - implying that those that walk this Earth are also angels and have forgotten. And, if you don’t like the word angels, if that sounds too religious, then… electromagnetic carbon-based genetically-fabricated beings that are walking around. That’s all just language that says that we have come from other realms to find a power here.

This power that lives within us.

And as we do that we cannot just survive. It’s not about just surviving this world. We can actually transcend. We can become more than the suffering of this world – and when we do that, beings in other worlds - and translate that however you’d like - are actually learning through our actions. That the reverberations of our ability to love our way out of the holocaust and 6 million Jews being massacred in WWII, or what’s happening in Bosnia and continuing to happen, what we did to the Native American population in North America – these things are still happening and they’re still in our memory. That’s us collectively pushing ourselves to the very edge of what no angels could ever tolerate in their hearts, and finding a way through love and compassion and understanding to transcend that. And the beings in other worlds learn from that and that may be why apparently, through some scholars and some researchers, there is a lot of interest in what’s happening in our world by other worlds because we are doing something like that here…

Now that’s very esoteric very nebulous but when you bring it right down into your daily life, when you walk outside and you look into the eyes of strangers that are passing you on the street, and you look into the eyes of everyone, what will happen is, at first, they may seem like strange people that you don’t know. But, as you look into the eyes of enough people, suddenly there is a familiarity that comes and you feel a connection and you feel like you know these people. And there is a little something I ask people in our workshops to do some time when they take a lunch break. You look at what seems to you to be the strangest or oddest person crossing the street in the crosswalk. Maybe it’s a handicapped or perceived handicapped or someone that is physically deformed or someone who is emotionally disturbed or something, look at them and know in your heart that that person is better than the worst thing that they’ve ever done in their lives. That that person is doing absolutely the best they could possibly do in this world and think about how empty our world would be if that person wasn’t there. Think about how much you would miss them if they weren’t present in your world and all of a sudden for me, I’ll say, life takes on a much different meaning. And we do this in every country and every city that we go to and it’s a powerful exercise.

That's really beautiful. And it answers the first part of my question. The second part of the question is: as you’ve studied this reclamation of lost knowledge, have you come to see it as part of the grand plan? Are we walking blindly into the knowledge for a greater reason? Because if we got it all at once, then the journey would be ruined…

The question is whether or not there is a grand plan and if there is a hand that is part of that. The father of quantum physics, Max Planck… when he accepted his Novel prize, he made an astounding statement. And he was talking about matter and he said there really isn’t any matter. He said what we perceive as matter is the effect of what we have to say is an intelligent mind. And this mind is the matrix of all matter that we see in our lives.

This was an astounding thing for a physicist to say, accepting his Novel prize.

If there is a mind that’s the matrix that is the source of all that’s happening, we have to say: 'Well whose mind or what mind is it?' And this is where modern physics, quantum science and ancient traditions are now converging… at this point, saying: 'The mind is ours.' That it is our collective intelligence that forms the matrix of all matter.

So when we ask: 'Is there a divine plan,' the ancient traditions, the ancient texts, Egyptian and Mayan traditions, Native American and Essene texts pre-Biblical all say that we came to this world to have these experiences. The plan was to have the experience. How the experience plays out, no one could know because no one has done what we are doing here before. So, it’s up to us to find a way to negotiate the experiences of our daily lives. So, there are general themes that play out – and of course karma and things like that – balancing of energies come into play but what it says is, when we come to this world, if we come to this world as an angry person, and our path is to heal our anger, it doesn’t mean necessarily that we are going to marry a specific person who’s going to be angry with us. What it means is, in our anger, we will draw many forms of anger into our path. We’ll see it in our jobs, in our corporations, in our friendships, in our marriage, maybe with our dog, we have an angry dog or an angry cat, that our anger will be mirrored to us in many ways until we recognize it and heal the anger in our bodies. And the minute that happens, and I have seen this happen in case studies, the anger around us suddenly goes away. Suddenly the corporation moves us into a new division where people are very loving or compassionate, our animals may change, our friendships will either end so they can end and move on or they’ll heal and we’ll find a new path with the people we’re sharing our time with. So I believe that the guidance is our collective will to live and to heal and to transcend and move forward in life, honoring life as we do that.

Thank you. One thing about your presentation, Gregg, is that you have an incredible array of empirical evidence – it’s one of the most memorable parts of your presentation… which was two hours but seemed like half an hour when we were done. But for people who are skeptical, who say come on, this is totally intangible and unfounded speculation, how would you describe this matrix in more 'wordly' terms? Because, for many people, the word matrix has only one reference is their lives and that's from the film. And though that film actually hinted at the whole notion of an unseen 'programmed' reality, how would people in their day to day life know the matrix exists and how is it self evident?

Well, that’s a very complex question. What we are saying - and, again, so much of this… when we have these discussions, it sounds very esoteric, very nebulous – what our own science is finding now and, I believe, science is doing the best it knows how to do, experimental evidence is showing the relationship of the web of creation.

There was an experiment that we spoke about in one of our programs, for example, where the skin cells from inside the mouth of a donor were put into a machine that was placed fifty miles away from the donor who was in a room in another building, so there’s fifty miles separating them. And what was happening was, as the donor was watching visual stimulus – videos evoking rage and compassion and anger and love - in his building, his cells 50 miles away were having an experience in exactly the same instant of time even though they were not physically connected any longer. Science says that is not supposed to happen. They said: "And what is it that links these two things together?" Well that is a little piece of experimental evidence.

The ancient traditions – Buddhists, Islamic, Christian, indigenous traditions throughout the world have always said the same thing to us. What they say is that the choices we make in our lives are not limited to our immediate lives. For example, the Heart Math Institute in Northern California has found that there’s a field around the human heart that’s shaped like a doughnut – its called a Tube Taurus - it’s between 5 and 8 feet in diameter. So when you’re within 5 – 8 feet of another person, you’re in their heart field and you two are communicating on levels you may not even be aware of. This is what happens with lovers when they come together and then when they separate there is still that same feeling there. Well, quantum physics says that that field extends for miles on the quantum level, the subatomic level. It’s not 5 or 8 feet. It’s miles! So it says that when we have an experience, when people gather together in a congregation or a meeting or in your living room and you’re feeling in your heart a specific quality of emotion, that the world is sharing that emotion for a distance of miles. It includes rocks, trees, plants and animals.

And, as we have the wisdom to recognize that, we see those effects.

We have very dramatic evidence on video of the healing effects inside people’s bodies. There was this medicine-less hospital in Beijing, China, that had an ultrasound so that we could see inside the body of a living woman who was in the presence of other people standing by, creating a feeling. Now the ancients call that feeling a prayer – the ancient traditions say there is a mode of prayer that has no outward expressions. You don’t hold your hands like this, you’re not saying, 'Dear God, let this woman be healed.' The prayer is a feeling in your heart – not a thought in your head.

It’s a feeling of what it feels like to be in the presence of the woman already healed.

So what we’re saying is, 'Feel the feeling and give thanks for the healing that’s already occurred.' Well, with the woman in the clinic, through the ultrasound, we see that she has a three inch diameter bladder cancer that is terminal and cannot be operated on in Western medicine. Doctors said, "Go live your life until you die." So she comes to the clinic as a last resort, and in two minutes and forty seconds, in the presence of the ultrasound, we can see on the monitor as the practitioners are having very powerful emotions of what it feels like to be with the woman already healed, that the cancer literally disappears from her bladder.

And Western scientists say that’s a miracle.

We don’t know how that happens. Although quantum physics says that’s entirely possible because, they say, in every moment of our lives, there are many, many, many possibilities that are all playing out at the same time. Every time we are diagnosed with a potentially life threatening condition, there is another reality where that condition never happened and they say that we move in and out of these realities all the time. We don’t know it. It’s not a mystical, mind-altering experience. It may happen so frequently that we don’t even recognize it when it happens.

So, on this particular video, three people creating the feeling, saying, "I give thanks for the healing of this woman’s body and for the health of her bladder." In 2 minutes and 40 seconds, the cancerous tumor is replaced by the possibility where that tumor does not exist and the statistic rate in this particular clinic after three years is over 90% success rate. Having this happen, part of what’s happening is that the person having the experience is changing their belief systems. They change their diet, the way they move their bodies, the way they breathe. And they accept this. They become part of the healing process. It’s not something where you go in and say, "Heal me, I got a three o’clock lunch, you know, I got to get rid of my cancer." It’s not like that. But these are very dramatic examples of how we interact with creation all the time, if we have the wisdom to see it. If we don’t, then it’s still happening and now it’s being called to our attention.

It’s kind of like when I was looking for vehicles. I was looking for a Jeep Cherokee and I didn’t know anything about them. I went to a car lot one day and they showed me from the bottom to the top of the line. I left and then all of a sudden, Jeep Cherokees were everywhere. I saw them on the freeways, in the parking loots, I knew all about the high end and the low end. They had always been there. I had never recognized them. They had never been called to my attention. I think that’s what’s happening is, it’s called to our attention how we interact with our world and we’re beginning to see miracles everyday that we just didn’t see because we didn’t look for them.

That is so true. Gregg, quickly, what is the name of the clinic?

It’s a clinic in Beijing – it’s in the book - the Isaiah book. It’s a very long, very Chinese sounding name and the key - you know we use the example of the healing of the bladder cancer not as a panacea for people that have cancer - and I don’t want to mislead people in that respect because by the time a person gets to this clinic, it’s usually as a last resort and when they walk in they go through a tremendous lifestyle change. They learn to breathe like we’ve never been taught in the West. They learn to nourish their bodies like we’ve never been taught in the West. They move their bodies differently – there are healing ways to walk, there are healing ways to move our bodies and they learn all of these. So, they go through a radical change of lifestyle. In the process of doing that, at some point it makes sense for them now to have this change of the cancer in their body because their cancer is what brought them to the point where they had to understand this or lose their lives. Now, the cancer has served them and they no longer need it. So they go through this radical change and I have to say that in all fairness, because it’s not like people can fly over there in a week, get healed and come back and do everything they’ve always done. It doesn’t really work that way.

We show the video because it’s very powerful visual evidence to reaffirm – I think we all suspect that miracles can happen in our hearts. When you see it with your left brain in a Western frame of reference, you say: "My God, I always thought that could happen and now I’ve actually seen it." And that triggers the possibility in people’s lives and that’s the reason. It’s a relationship between non-physical forces of emotion - because no one is physically touching this woman - and the physical presence of what is happening in her bladder. No one is touching her in two minutes and forty seconds, people are simply feeling a very powerful feeling, one that’s called a coherent feeling – coherence between the heart and the brain – there’s a whole science behind all that – and in that coherence, there is a shift – a physical shift in her body. And our science is just beginning to understand that. And that’s the reason we share that video.

If you had to give one message to the world, describing what we should be focusing on, as a mass – because I believe in the collective unconscious, I believe in the power of critical mass – to shift our world paradigm, what would you say we need to do, right now?

Well, this is the question and this is the bottom line. You know, there are so many languages to share what we are doing here – some of them are very scientific, some of them are so airy-fairy and new age that people are turned off by them. And the truth is, it’s all language and we don’t have to be very technical and we don’t have to really believe in anything. The only message the ancients left to us, and I believe they were adamant - they left us volumes of information, they built entire libraries, they dedicated their lives to leaving a message to a people they could only imagine in their future. And we have to ask: 'What was so important to them to go through that effort to leave a message for us?'

The bottom line to that message is that as we honor all life in this world, that that honoring will be mirrored in our bodies and in the world around us. As we honor the principles of life, as we honor our relationships in the presence of one another, as we know and are conscious and aware of how we speak to one another and how we think of one another and how we share our time together and how we are willing to be there for other people, how we are willing to honor the life of our planet that sustains our life – and it’s more than just recycling, although that’s important. It doesn’t mean you have to be a vegetarian although there are ways of honoring life in that respect as well. So we have to find in our own way – it’s very individual, very personal. We each have to find the way to hold ourselves to the yardstick that we personally feel comfortable with that says: 'I am doing my best in this time, in my lifetime, to honor the principle of life in all that I do. And when we do that, all these quantum principles automatically come into play and I think that’s the message of the ancients.

Gregg thanks for your time.

Sure you gentlemen are great and I love your studio here…

Thanks.

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