Hello there,

I have been following the site now for several weeks.

It is a great site, and i want to thank you for it.

this is the first time i have written to you.

Your site and articles are wonderful.

the site has also given me hope in the knowledge that there are so many other kindred spirits out there.  I am income challenged, presently,  but hopeful, and will contribute to the site when i am more able to do so.

I decided to write because I was literally, just last nite in fact, contemplating the exact question asked today by DN, about how to get the BAMA-BUG charged with crimes and removed.

i was even looking at impeachment processes to see if the answer was there.

Not only him, mind you, so many of them....need to step down/be removed.

and there is the matter of the private bankster brigade and what to do with them as well!

That Federal Register determination item you posted? well, i checked it out. and its real all right. right there, plain as day, in the government register.

S.F in her article may very well have got that one right on target.  i think one of her earlier stories about a certain governor situation was dead on also. he was set up and neutralized by the cabal forces.

Caspers answer about us operating under statutory (admirality) law is in the area i am studying.I am using new understanding of this, and UCC to work a process of exiting the fiat system to  move to sovereign citizenry.

its either that or i may consider becoming an expat... .

the problem with the manmade \"statutory\" law that is is that the courts are no longer in equity or common law jurisdiction, as was the law under the republic.

so here is the question.

if a group of declared sovereigns came at this as a group, demanding causses of action under the original  common law, could that trump the use of the courts attempt at jurisdication somehow,

since the republic was FIRST  or could the sovereigns declare their own court, and call for the take down of the statutory rulings et all, as unlawful under the republic and do it that way??

i know that may sound crazy but there just  has to be some way to trump what was done in 1933 so that the charges  can be brought forward for the entire cadre of criminals.

the question is how to do it?

i am open to hearing from anyone on this topic, or to get on a con call or forum about it.

thanks!

jdb

Thought for the day:\"when all roads ahead seem to be blocked, you have 3 options:  look for the outside path around it, see if you can  dig underneath and go under it, or jump UP and fly right over the top."

I like the last one. It is only in a truly Free-man state as God created us and HIS creation, that we can fly...

good morning,

i read what RG wrote on this thread, and he is right about what happened. A false corporation, called/posing as the USA, formerly the republic, was created.

well, we know that now, so the question becomes: how do we take it back?

some say guns are or will be our  only answer.

but is that really the only way?

is there a way we have not thought of or attempted sufficiently at all yet?

one that could work without violance. is this even possible?

HMMM.

lets ponder this a moment.

here are my musings on this topic today...and questions.

We know that a true republic under the real constitution was organically created. We know that it came first, and that it is still there. no action, so far anyway, has dismantled it or taken it down.

we know the usurpers want it to be taken away from us, they want to strip us of our unalienable rights under God.

since our true republic was FIRST, it cannot be trumped by the laws or rules of the unlawfully created corporation called the US corporation,  because that entire false entity was created under and through fraud of the american people.

so, what about this?

we create a sovereign citizens group, right here, now, through this site.

there may already a group or groups doing this, if they are out there, and they are like minded with us, and they are authentic in loyalty to our true republic, we find out who they are and we get together with them, somehow.....

bring our cause in unity of purpose.

if someone knows who/what such groups are, and knows of their authenticity of mind, it would help to identify these groups.

i suspect that there are other things going on, but the trouble is we are not unified.

the sovereign citizens  need to create together an actionable  document, one that reflects the reclamation of our original constitution and all of its organic and original authority.

the action document will cover the full list of causes of action against the false corporation and its officers, collectively and/or by name.

the document could be developed like a complaint we see in court today, but perhaps different in that our court today is under the false law under the false system created.. i think by the false corporation.

our cause of action would be against the entire fraudulently created corporation, and all of its officers and representatives who are operating under oath to the FALSE corporation.

yes, all of them.

action would be filed where?

Supreme court?  i doubt we can go there, as i dont think it will do any good.

reason being, if i  understand this right, the judicial body, in its entirety,  is  operating under statutory jurisdication, the falsely created public policy one, and that whole thing was made up by the falsely created corporation.

so that means the court system serves the false corporations interests, and literally has no effective \"jurisidiction\". 

so if the above is the case, what do we do?

what judicial body or court then could \"hear\" the argument/complaint or filed charges so that the next actions are done \"lawfully\" under the TRUE constitution??

it would probably have to be something set before  a duly  appointed citizens tribunal.

so, if there is not one of those out there, then what has to happen?

well, we get one.

somehow....

how?  not sure, but someone out there may have some ideas on this.

we need a judiciary that is under oath to the old organic constitution.

what this may mean is that our very action... takes down the judiciary as it currently operates, or else makes a demand of it and its judges that they either revert their allegiance and oath back to the true republic reclaimed by the action, or else they are out of work.

i am no expert on any of this, but as far as i have learned, the judiciary of the true republic can operate only under 2 forms of law, those being... law of equity and the common law.

the tribunal would become the superior duly appointed judiciary, and the sovereigns case can be \"heard there\".

this judiciary\'s orders would be lawful. True constitutional law/original law trumps the false law operating in court today.

so, what would be among our actionable demands?

one is to charge the entire falsley created corporation, its officers, benefeciaries, assigns, etc. et all, with fraud and demand its immediate cessation/revocation/reccission of all its power.

second demand is the arrest of all of its officers. all of them.

the last post yesterday  by a member who knows the military side, talked about that body making arrests.

is our military under oath to the fraudulent corporation or to the real republic? not sure how that would work, but someone out there probably has some ideas.

whoever makes arrests has to be under oath to the true republic.

not sure how to assure or do that, but that is what is needed.

there would be much more to the cause of action, but this is my 2 cents worth for now on this topic.

the question i have in my mind is is not whether or not WE CAN do this,  the question is, if we do act, will it work? 

if it will work then how can we come together to move the ball from here?

is this at all an answer to the question: what can we do???

thanks to all for any responses/answers.

We must remain in LOVE and faith toward all our fellow FREE men and women. We are all on the journey seeking God\'s heart in all of this.

jdb

Patrick: 

In Re: Who has authority and how to oust our appears Communist President

An e-mail I prior sent regarding this subject, but attached as a P.S. to another message sent to you, I mentioned that if O\'Bama is taken to court for treason, for the illegal seizure of the U.S., the U.S. Supreme Court would defend him.  This was in reference to him not being born in the U.S., the CA 9th Circuit District Federal(known to be radical) Court refusing the issue, the case going to Federal Appeal, and that it would end up at the U.S. Supreme Court where the case would loose, as shown in past record regarding this subject material.  If you think about it, the Chief Justice is a party to the action because he sworn Obama in as President and originally the Oath was incorrectly administered...Why, is it a conspiracy?, i.e. is he part of the conspiracy?  Appears Socialist/Communist George Bush, whom appears O\'Bama is being known for keeping close ties with, assigned and appointed this extremely intelligent Judge. 

In this case a possible foreiger named O\'Bama is seizing the country as a Socialist and a Communist, has fraudulantly represented himself as a U.S. Citizen to gain power, and he refused to obey the Constitution that he swore under that was the Power to Be for this employment position.  I suggested to you that the case should NOT be heard in Federal Court but either the International Court at the Hague, who has jurisdiction over war criminals, or at the Federal Court of Claims, now known as the U.S. Court of Claims.  I stated that when the case is filed, to see if a Stay can be Ordered stopping any and all Presidential Orders until the merits of the case can be decided, for the sake of National..., the list goes on. I\'m adding that any executive decisions he made should also have a Stay until Decision by the proper court of venue that would have jurisdiction. 

I also mentioned the middle ground, whos who, referring to is Obama really a good guy waiting a chance to proove himself or is he what he appears to be; a liar, a crook and an organized mafia type serial criminal instigating a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act) crime.  He definitely should go down into history for personality tactics.  Myself I think he\'s the Dark Horse of the Apocolypse.   

For a case to be heard with the Federal Grand Jury, the case cannot be submitted to be heard by We The People as in a Civil Grand Jury.  It has to be Fed. submitted.  I don\'t know where my rule book is on this where I checked this out years prior regarding court and county corruption, but their rules and procedures are posted on the Internet. I have no idea if as a Private Attorney General may work or if the Jury would accept.  Also how are these members determined and can the selection be controlled, especially by who is the Chairman, which could be assigned by a Judge.  In some lower grand jury\'s the Chairman does not notify the Jurists of the rules, laws and duties relating to their job.  In one tri-county a law suit was actually instigated stating they were only an investigating and reporting arm and had no power.  FIJA, Fully Informed Jury Association, may be able to give insight on this and what kind of problems to look for. 

No matter, Decision, these people don't obey Orders so even if We The People won the case, then what, lock them up, where?  Also what happens when you have a Country without a King; can\'t be the V.P. who appears to be part of the conspiracy, how about Nancy Polisi or the Top Admiral, or the General in charge of Norad whom somebody told me has the real power?  This also needs to be determined in advance.  I really don't know.

A simple definition of the Court of Claims is attached for your review.  Any others that may think another direction, rather than Federal Court, is needed, may also have ideas.  There cannot be mistakes on this one. 

Suggestion, these facts could also be reviewed and determined by a 4th year law school where they do stratistic (strategy) legal studies or set-up a legal research team with intelligent We The People as part of.  This idea could also backfire.  The Straw Man UCC idea, as in Cracking the Code book, I am aware is supposed to be fact but has been sabotauged by crooks, example take a car without money payment stating your birth certificate and name in lower case has value and is the money.  I have not been able to study these rules and laws to be able to speak on the subject but know numerous Judges ignore it and years ago was informed they had a meeting on how to deal with the Redemption in Law procedures.  UCC1 Straw Man and Common Law procedures appears to have been eliminated to public eye and to these students, the same as many of the Common Law Courts have been shut down. 

Also J__ posted joining the people together.  The people do need a leadership group, a place they know where to go.  Many will not rock the boat, be on a list, until there is no other choice, because of fear and uninformed.  They say it's too big, what can I do.  They will follow the masses.  Everybody doing what they can, determining what they are best in, makes a powerful unit.  Myself I enjoy research and have a bad taste of illegal court corruption for the purpose of theft from the innocent.  Congressman Ron Paul is an obvious honest and knowledgable leader but I don\'t know if he would be willing or able to lead something like this and the position he's in now may be the best, but hopefully can be part of.  We can't forget what happened to people like Trafficant and the deceased ones.  Alex Jones is another strong leader but may be too radical for the masses.  The founder of Judicial Watch, Kenneth Clayman, may also have some ideas.  Same with the White Knight group.!

  NESARA may be claimed as having a financial interest.  Too bad it couldn\'t be somebody like Sanandra.

Court of Claims Wikipedia definition below and may surpirse you that it may be the proper place to go?  But who are the players of this court and how do you keep them honest?

Thank you for everything, 'Mr. Godly, Work-A-Holic', Wow Patrick, sounds like a rhyme.  

mh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Claims

cc James - White Knights 911