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'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul? (Updated Dec. 6, 2008)

Patrick H. Bellringer

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From: KT
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
 

 Message:

 Re: 'Hello, Central!' How and Why Would Clones Be Used In Small-Town USA?

 If 80% of the world's population is cloned, then is seems pretty obvious that most of the clones do not know they are clones.

 If this is the case, then it also seems obvious that there are many clones who are members of religious groups in both Christianity and Islam. You have stated before that clones have no soul and therefore, have no conscience when it comes to the actions they take. But if a clone has no soul or conscience, why would they pursue a life of praise or worship, even if to a false religion? If 80% of the world\'s population is cloned, that would mean a significant portion of both the Christian and Muslim faiths are soul-less beings who have no capability of salvation anyway but believe in the possibility. This perplexes me.

 This leads me to my question. If a clone can pursue a religious path and a belief in God, can a clone not also pursue the lighted path or the red flame since they do not know they are soul-less? Could the Creator grant a soul to a being who makes a conscious choice to be different than what they were intended to be?

 I ask this because it seems highly plausible that if a clone can be influenced by the lies and deceit put out by the darkside, then they could also be influenced by truth and light. I'm sure there are at least a few people who read your site that fall into this category since truth is being spread now more easily and quickly as the planet moves into a higher vibration and state of being. As the lies and distortions that supported a clones belief start to fall apart, could they not desire and seek out a better existence?

 Are there any specific and definitive ways for a person who may be a clone but is seeking truth and light to know if they are a clone?

 Thanks you for your insight.

 Aloha,

 KT

(Response)

FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  KT
DATE:  Nov. 27, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear KT.:
 
    Thank you for your letter and questions about clones. 
 
    Because clones have no God Spirit, they have no conscience, so they have no values, morals or ethics and cannot discern Truth.  Therefore, they are easily influenced to believe what they are told.  They make good religious people and good soldiers, because they can be easily persuaded or mind-controlled to believe anything.  Clones make great warriors because they have no conscience and no guilt about killing people.
 
    Clones are concerned about their own survival, as is any animal, so they will do what is needed to survive.  They have a desire to live a life with as little discomfort as possible, so if religion brings them friends and pleasant experiences, that is acceptable, the attitude of eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
 
    You ask whether clones can become souled-beings.  Yes, they can!  Anything is possible, and Creator God can breath a soul into a clone that becomes totally receptive to Truth.  The clone operates at the brain level of data storage, logic and analytical thinking, whereas the souled-being operates at the mind level, which is Spirit.  Analytical thought can bring one to the conclusion that there is more to life than existence, and create the desire for that "more", at which point Creator God may grant them a soul.
 
    Once a soul is granted, that human immediately has the knowledge of good and evil, a freewill and a conscience to choose either good or evil.  I have no knowledge of how many clones may have been given a soul in their present lifestream, but there may be many.
 
    In your final question you ask if a clone can know they are a clone?  I believe that is not possible, for a clone has no God Spirit from which to discern Truth.
 
    I honor you for your depth of thought and discernment.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
                            bellringer@fourwinds10.com
                            www.fourwinds10.com
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: AM
To: 'Bellringer'
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:33 AM
Subject: R: 'Hello, Central!' I'm a bit confused about Clones
 

Dear Patrick ;

 

As far as I know, to make a clone, you take a cell from an animal and you make the exact copy

as it has been the case in England in the 90’ with the sheep Dolly for example.

 

Unless by “clone” you mean something else , I can hardly believe that 80% of the world population are clones !!

 

Just to make an example, I can hardly believe that in most of the poor third world countries,

they had the technology to make clones and at a  such large scale !!

 
Thank you Patrick for enlighten me on this subject.

With peace and love

AM

 

(Response)

 

FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  AM
DATE:  Nov. 28, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear AM:
 
    Thank you for your letter.
 
    Genetic engineering goes back to the time of Noah.  The off-spring of clones are clones, so the number of clones on Earth Shan has been increasing over the centuries, not just in the last fifty years.  The Dolly sheep clone in England was a big hoax to fool the public.  Cloning of cattle was perfected a half-century ago, and dairy farmers had cattle that all looked exactly the same.  This is also true for other animals.  I know for I was raised on a dairy farm, and later owned and operated a dairy farm for sixteen years.
 
    Human cloning has been perfected so that an adult human can be made today in less than thirty-six hours.  This is done when the "controllers" want to replace a specific person.
 
    You say,"unless by a clone you mean something else".  A clone is an artificial human, a human without a soul, made by human technology and not by Creator God.  What else could a human clone be?  Also, Hatonn said that 75% of our earth's population are now clones, but someone changed that figure to 80%, which is not correct.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: CB

To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:30 PM

Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10

 

Message:

 Dear Patrick,

 Regarding your response to KT in this topic: 'Hello, Central!' Can a  Clone Be Given a Soul?

 The description you gave is very much similar to the story of Pinocchio;  the little wooden boy whose nose grew whenever he told a lie. And then, at  the end when he learned his lesson that he must tell the truth, he was  gifted with a real human body.

 Pinocchio is another movie I saw as a kid (in addition to Superman, as  explained in the "Satan-Man" email in Hello Central).

 So, 80% of humans on earth are soulless? We are to respect them as if they  were souled?

 

You said these clones are used by the darkside. Are they also used by a  souled-person\'s guides for "lessons" for soul growth/perfection?

 This would make complete sense to me, since a (souled) person\'s acts is  due to his/her free will. But I can't see \"situations\" being setup by  our guides without controlling the freewill acts of others. Could the ones  being controlled be the clones? If so, this would answer a question I've  been wondering about for some time.

 Sincerely,

 CB

 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer

      TO:  CB

DATE:  Nov. 28, 2008

SUBJECT:  Reply

Dear CB:

    Thank you for your letter.

    Yes, you are correct in your thinking that human clones can be used by either the Darkside or the Light for their purposes without braking the Cosmic Law of Non-Intervention.  Many of these clones are here for our lessons in soul-growth.

    I would like to correct an error that someone has made in the number of clones at this time on our planet.  Hatonn has said that approximately 75% of our present earth's population are clones,not 80%.

    Yes, we are to respect clones, as we are to respect any living thing, be it animal or plant that make up our environment.  Who know, we may be instrumental in helping a human clone to obtain a soul in this lifetime.

                            In Love and Light,

                            Patrick H. Bellringer

3. (Reply)

----- Original Message -----

From: AM

To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:33 AM

Subject: R: 'Hello, Central!' I'm a bit confused about Clones

Dear Patrick ;

As far as I know, to make a clone, you take a cell from an animal and you make the exact copy

as it has been the case in England in the 90’ with the sheep Dolly for example.

Unless by “clone” you mean something else , I can hardly believe that 80% of the world population are clones !!

Just to make an example, I can hardly believe that in most of the poor third world countries,

they had the technology to make clones and at a such large scale !!

Thank you Patrick for enlighten me on this subject.

With peace and love

AM

(Response)

FROM : Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  AM
DATE:  Nov. 29, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear AM:
 
    You would have no interest in  nor understanding of spiritual matters, nor would you be asking these questions, if you were a clone.
 
    We can hope for change because we know with certainty that there is a Divine Plan for Earth Shan and for our time, and that the Light wins.  Things seem dark and chaotic, but everywhere there are signs of the Darkside crumbling and Goodness becoming evident.
 
    Keep hope alive, my friend, and help create the positive energy to push the Darkness from our planet, for that is, indeed, happening.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 

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----- Original Message -----
From: FB
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: 'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?
 
Hello Patrick,

On reading on this subejct I had an idea that went through my mind that I never really had before but I really would like to know about that subject.

I respect clones for their role as any other part of the whole of the creation and for sure they are teaching and helping us understand many lessons for our soul growth!

I was wondering about the humans that don't have a soul, do their energy impact the light/dark balance on the planet.

I am really intrigued by that though?

It seems that any human, clone or not on this planet can still react angrily or happily or display the apparence of emotions?

Moreover even if they feel or don't feel any emotions, they still have thoughts...

Thoughts affect reality, and because souled and non-souled are made of the same light/matter as anything else do their thoughts affect this reality?

I hope the question is understandable, I don't know if I asked the question right?

In love ang light

FB.

 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  FB
DATE:  Dec. 2, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear FB:
 
    Thank you for your questions on clones.  The only real difference between a souled human being and a clone human being is that the clone human has no God-connection.  There is no soul or spiritual side to the human clone, therefore it has no feeling of compassion.  This person has no spiritual basis for values, morals or ethics.
 
    The human clone does have all the basic aspects of any human, as a physical being, and most people would not see them as any different from anyone else.  Yes, human clones have the basic emotions and the responses of the five senses.  They are concerned about survival, as any animal would be, and would react accordingly.
 
    Most human clones live in their community to which they have been born, and accept the norms of their society, to fit in.  They would not change things for the better, unless they benefitted in doing so.  They are influenced by how others think and act, be it living in a street gang or sitting in a church pew with their neighbors on a Sunday morning.  Basically, the human clone exists and thrives in a third dimensional world quite well.  They are your neighbors!
 
    Everything is energy, and the basic Cosmic Law of Cause and Effect dictates energy exchange with any action.  So, the balance of energy is affected by anyone and everyone by both thought and action, cloned or not.
 
    I hope this makes sense to you.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
5. (Reply)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: TG
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Can a clone be given a soul?
 
Dear Patrick and Anne,
 
I am so very grateful, as are many, that you continue to have such wondrous patience and love in your teachings, disguised as answers! lol  I have written to you a few times before, and this is one subject that we touched upon.  Do you mind if I ask a few more questions?  My heart and soul always rock and roll from your answers, and I find myself diving back into the Phoenix Journals to seek more answers.  If I missed any of these in the Journals, forgive the repetition!
 
If 75% of the world is cloned, and as you mentioned, some are our neighbors possibly, what is the chance of a soul bearing being actually loving, marrying, and producing off-spring with a clone?  Would that give Creator God an opportunity to bequeath a soul upon the fetus, since it was born in the God given way, and possibly through a union of love? 
 
Based on some of the behavior of some of my previous romantic encounters, and possibly even my marriage, I now wonder if I have struggled to find someone that "matches" my energy, heart, compassion, and love, simply because I'm surrounded by clones?
 
Another question comes back to the scenario where, for some nefarious reason, a grown individual is replaced by a clone.  Do we have, as part of the darker strategy, souled beings be killed and replaced by soulless clones?  One radical belief system postulates their are 4th dimensional beings that are here tampering with humanity, literally feeding off of our darker emotions.  Would such a program aid that, by replacing calmer, even tempered souled individuals, with emotional and easily manipulated/programmed to do atrocious things?  
 
Doing some quick math, if we have 7 billion in population, and 75% are clones, that leaves us 1.75 billion souls on our planet.  If only those who have the vibrational match with the beam can survive, and actually make it aboard the rescue ship, and that is only possibly 1 or 2 %, then you are left with 1.75 hundred thousand.  If more than a few choose not to attempt the beam, perhaps we are left with the 144000, something close to some other referenced number of chosen few...  
 
Will 5th dimensional life, on a 5th dimensional planet, this size, have other residents beside us?  I guess we could always start with the 5th dimensional version of Hawaii, and spread out from there... lol 
 
Thank you for your thoughts.  Many blessings to you and Anne!
 
Warmest Regards,
 
TG
 
 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  TG
DATE:  Dec. 2, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear TG:
 
    Thank you for your comments, questions and kind words for our work at Fourwinds.  You asked about the off-spring of a souled human and a cloned human and Creator God bequeathing a soul upon the fetus.  Yes, anything is possible.  There are great souls waiting to incarnate as Indigo children, crystal children, etc. at this most exciting and challenging time on Earth Shan.  Third Dimension holds the greatest opportunities for soul growth of all the dimensions of the Cosmos.  From that aspect we are most blessed to be here, especially because Earth Shan, as Satan's "jail planet", became the Darkest of all planets of the entire Cosmos.
 
    To answer your second question, probably one of the main reasons for modern day cloning is to remove a freewill souled human being, who is not reliable in cooperating with the Darkside, and replace that one with a clone that can be easily mind-controlled to cooperate fully.  Bear in mind that no souled human being can be cloned, unless that person allows it.  They allow their Light to be reduced, which allows their Divine Protection to be removed, making them an easy target for the Darkside to attack.
 
    Yes, there are 4D Dark energies and entities (demons) present, waiting to tamper with souled humans and to feed off their negative emotions.  Hatonn says that even one drink a alcohol will allow an etheric opening to be made at the crown of the head, giving opportunity for the "demons" to enter and take control.
 
    This is one reason for the personality to change so radically for one, who drinks alcohol or uses various other drugs.  Know that Dark energies and entities are ever present to enter a weak aura or a weak crown chakra.  This is why it is so important to keep the protective White Light of Creator God, the Golden Light of Sananda, and the Violet Light of Violinio Germain around you at all times.  For good measure also ask for the Blue Light of Archangel Michael's sword to protect you!!!
 
    You are quite right that clones are used to do atrocious acts of violence, both because they have no conscience, and thus no guilt, and because they can be programmed and easily controlled.  They respond like robotic machines.  As I have said, they make good "Christian"/religious stooges and soldier/warriors.
 
    The number 144,000 has been interpreted to mean many things, but it is the Divine Number of people that has been determined to be necessary to establish a new civilization on our planet, when she has been rejuvenated to her original pristine condition and in 5D (Heaven on Earth).  There shall be many more than 144,000 people, who shall board the evacuation ships, due to the growing enlightenment across Earth Shan.  You and many others are sharing Truth with the seekers.
 
    Now, to answer you final question.  There are many 5D planets and of varying sizes, land formations and numbers of people living on them.  Some have no people, as Earth Shan will be initially, and others have a great many people, but all is in total balance and harmony in 5D, because no evil is allowed in 5D and all higher dimensions.  To give you a better perspective of numbers of planets, Hatonn says there are more than 178 billion life-supporting planets in the Milky Way Galaxy alone!
 
    Pray for your friends and enemies and neighbors, that they might be given a soul.  Anything is possible, my friend!
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 

 6. (Reply)

 
----- Original Message -----
From: SA
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:08 AM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
 
Message:

'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?

 by looking somebody in the eyes, you can see whether there is a spark of life of God Creator in them or not. Some men\'s eyes are blurred, darkened and empty. I have come to think that these -may- be clones, as they demonstrate a lack of sharpness and clarity, lack of emotion, lack of loving / full eyed contact.  The eyes are the gateways to the soul....

 

7. (Reply)

----- Original Message -----
From: PK
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:28 PM
 
Dear Patrick,
 
First of all thank you for the wonderfull great new stories every day and great true stories. I can't imagine my life without that anymore.
 
I have a question on your "Hello, central - clone stories".  If 75% of us are clones and only 25% souled humans, what will happen to 75% souless beings after the earth goes for cleansing?
 
I read all Tuella's stories about Ashtars command that he and his command will come to take us abroad the ships and there we will decided ourselves if we are ready for 5D or go to another planet to continue our lessons in 3D stream for another 26,000. 
 
So the question here is will those souless beings go back to 3D and hope that one day they will be granted of a soul or will they totally dissapear from the existance? 
 
How do I know if am with soul or without?  How do you know about yourself?
 
Thank you in advance your answers.
 
Best regards,
 
PK
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: PK
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:58 PM
 
Dear Patrick,

Sorry to bother you again but this subject on clones have gotten my attention.

I have another question. In one of your stories I read that we've been cloned from thousands of years ago (probably by Annunaki, if I have understood it correctly) and in this case does it mean the ones who have been cloned by other humans and they DON'T have a soul - why are they being born this earth? HOW can they reincarnate and most importantly WHY would they even do it if they do not have a connection to God since they are missing such a key ingredient as soul? WHY would they be born into this world continuing learning the lessons and the strive here is to get closer and finally to be totally connected to God. Why would they do that if they can't be, because how can you be connected to God without a soul? I'm getting more and more confused on this topic.

I would totally understand this if this would be regarded to the clones made in this life by our time humans. But if we're talking here being clones from past ages, I do not understand it at all.

I would really appreciate your clearance in this matter.

As always I value your responses very highly and thank you again for your attention.

Love,

PK

(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  PK
DATE:  Dec. 4, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear PK: 
 
    Thank you for your kind words for our work and for your questions.  We are happy to be of service. 
 
    At the point of evacuation of Earth Shan and her moving into her serious cleansing mode, everyone leaves the planet.  The souled beings, who wish to do so, board the ships.  Creator God simply dissipates the clones into nothingness, or as Hatonn says, "They are evaporated!" 
 
    At that point the clones have served their purpose and have no further usefulness.  Only Creator God can decide their future, such as giving them a soul or another lifestream on another 3D planet to again exist as a clone.
 
    Because clones have no soul or God connection, they cannot comprehend the Realm of Spirit.  Therefore, they have no conscience and understanding of right from wrong according to the Laws of God and Creation.  It follows then that they have no feelings of guilt or remorse, when they break these laws.  A souled being is born with a "knowing" of the Realm of Spirit and an attraction to spiritual matters, questions and concepts, which a clone does not have.
 
    You ask, how do you know you have a soul?  Go within and ask your God Spirit for confirmation, but please understand that you would not even have the desire to do so or even ask the question, if you had no soul.  As you awaken to Truth, you are attracted to the Realm of Spirit and compelled to search further for answers.  In a sense your soul is calling you home, and you just "know!"
 
    By the age of nine years, I "knew", and began at that time to understand my mission and my destiny.  Clones do not search for Truth and enlightenment, for knowledge and wisdom in the Realm of Spirit.  Souled beings do! 
 
    Finally, you ask "why".  Why have clones been allowed to propagate this planet for centuries?  I have no answer to this "why" question other then Creator God said that they were here for our lessons in soul growth.
 
    Be in peace, my friend.  See you aboard the ships!
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 
9. (Reply)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: RT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: Re;Clone Thread
 
Dear Patrick and Anne:

Hiya folks! Just was reading the thread on clones and had to smile at the last letter put on that page.

Asking about how clones can repeat lifetimes and advance back to God it seems obvious that cloned beings dont reincarnate as theres no soul to carry on through time, so they just 'evaporate' at death . This explains alot about the nature of so many earthbound people. A soul developing over lifetimes would show effects of its state of developement via talents unlearned in a present lifetime but none the less accessible for use anytime after their development. Souls bring their accomplishments from other embodiments through into their present lifetime. Savants in music and art are obviously versed in their fields without the prerequisite learning in this lifetime. This points to a souled being.

A clone on the other hand has no direct connection to the higher realms and no previous personality timeline they can draw from as experience. They are hollow people with no inner gyroscope to guide them and are becoming more fragile as we go upward in frequency. This bothers me greatly. We all are aquainted with clones as there are so many and the breakdowns in third dimensional bodies and minds is causing much grief.

With with clones having no spiritual framework theres no way to carry over knowledge from generation to generation so culture passed down knowledge word of mouth through dance and pantomime from which later the theater developed. Being purely physical in this passing down of knowledge made developing culturaly an arduous slow path. There are faster ways to grow eh?

Its a hard thing to discus whats happening to us right now in a few words but its as if we are in University in a play with real players on the stage and prop players as well. Many more prop players than real actors. If we do this right all the souled ones will wake up in time and many clones will go towards the light and be given Life. The planet will be renewed as we rise into our power. Humanity will find a place in a galactic society and the expanded fields of interplay will be like we just started to breath finaly. Sounds good to me....G'day eh!

As if you didnt have enough to read already...

in the Light of the One

RT

 
(Reply)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  RT
DATE:  Dec. 5, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear RT:
 
    Thank you for your letter.  You have accurate knowledge of the clone phenomenon, and have saved me further explanation for those, who ask for greater information.  This is not an easy subject for most to understand, as such knowledge has been deliberately hidden for centuries, just as reincarnation and starships were hidden from use in the Bible since 323-5 AD.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: KJ
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Now I have a question for you regarding clones!
 
Dear Patrick:
 
I'm back!  I have a question that I have been going around with for several days now that I would really appreciate your "take" on if you would be so kind?
 
First I will state the premise from which I ask my questions..  I think we can safely surmise that there are basically two parts of our vehicles, one on the physical side being the body/brain/ego, and the other, an octave higher, being the mind/spirit/soul or formless side. Right now we can reproduce the first scenario via the clone but when it comes to replicating our higher conponent that's where Creator leaves all the Brain-Childs in the dust!  So what that leaves us with isa Frankenstien sort of Replica of a physical man who is driven by the Ego which Creator never conceived  as the Leader of anything but rather was designed as a survival agent of the physical body!  Therefore, it denies All but itself which means it will deceive, lie and even kill it's host to prevail!
 
So to simplify this in our thinking, could we consider all the characteristics of the first example to be that of the clones without the benefit of a Hu-man's undeveloped second equation?  And, working from that premise, would that also explain why the Draconian approach of the Darkside to use it's arsenal of poisons, frequency invasion, war or any other diabolical mind-control bullshit they can think of to close us up and pull us down to their level or below?And don't they, the darkside, know they now have a Serious problem, Karma-wise, on their hands because of their essentially Devolving human beings back into the animal kingdom from whence we came?
 
Further, once there,they, the Dark Forces, have to physically maintain this abondamation 24/7 to keep their control and can't they see where that is leading?  They, themselves will also become trapped in the nigthmarish creation of their own making?  Therefore, I'm asking "are they nuts?"  For all their brilliance, can't they See the untimate outcome of this Conquest of their Desire and is this something they really want?  To my mind, this is so Unbelievable that I just need someone else's input because I am Stuck!
 
Patrick, Help! Please!!!! And any corrections in conceptions would be appreciated!
 
KJ
 
 
(Reply)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  KJ
DATE:  Dec. 5, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear KJ:
 
    Thank you for your excellent discussion of the physical world of the clone, as opposed to the spiritual world of the "Higher-Self", the mind and soul.
 
    You ask, "Are they nuts?"  You are referring to the Draconian Darkside and their massing of great Karma for their actions.  These beings are Satan's minions, who had given their freewill over to Darkness, and the Light has been nearly extinguished.  They are so immersed in the Lie and so driven to accomplish Satan's plan to control this planet, that nothing can be said to convince them to detour from their evil course.
 
    Yes, from our enlightened stance, "They are nuts!"  Their Karma shall be thousands of lifestreams in 3D to learn their lessons in soul growth.  Most of these Evil Ones have already cycled back many lifestreams to continue their increasingly evil pathway, and probably only the "void" experience would turn them around.  May you get "unstuck" soon!
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
From:  CB

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Comment for ---- 'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?
 
What "SA" said in an earlier comment is correct: "The eyes are the gateways to the soul". For well over a decade, I've wondered about the Chinese, Korean, and possibly other Asians I've seen on the NYC subway. When they converse with one another their vocal tones are very robotic. And many have blank looks on their faces. Not meaning to sound insulting or anything, but they do, literally, have blank faces.

But there are souled ones too. I worked with a guy 10 years ago, someone with feelings and who maintains eye contact. I remember, specifically, that his vocal tone was different than those on the subway. Even when he spoke on the phone in Chinese, his tone was real. Even odder, I wondered about all this back then when it was happening.

China has a rather LARGE population, which helps explain the 75% clone number.

 
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----- Original Message -----
From: CB
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: questions on ---- 'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?
 
Dear Patrick,

If someone does not follow ALL of the Laws of God and the Creation (as talked about in Phoenix Journal 27), are they still eligible for 5D? (Actually, I'm most interested in the Laws contradicted by the information here:

http://www.fromthestars.com/page173.html )

For those who are not eligible, will they get to choose a planet that has the Phoenix Journals as its dominant "religion", to start off on the right track from birth?

Thanks so much for the time spent on your website!

Yours Sincerely,

CB

 
 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  CB
DATE:  Dec. 5, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear CB:
 
    It is my understanding that the Laws of God and Creation must be followed to show that we have learned our lessons in soul growth.  We must pass our tests to graduate into fifth dimension, where no evil is allowed.  We leave all evil behind when we pass into the frequencies of 5D (Heaven).  We must have dealt with all Karma or have asked for and have been granted by Creator God the removal of all our Karma.
 
    Because no one is perfect and is able to fully obey the Laws of God and the Creation, until they have finally returned to Source, there is mercy or allowance granted to all, who graduate into 5D.  We do not achieve perfection until we have mastered all our learning and have returned to Creator Source, the goal in all our experiences.
 
    Please understand that ignorance of God's Laws is excusable, but once you know the Laws, you are held responsible to strive to keep them with the greatest of your ability.  Also, you have the help of Heaven to do so, if you but ask.
 
    According to what Hatonn/Aton tells us in the Phoenix Journals, all souled beings here, now, are Returned Masters, who have agreed to come from our homes in the stars to help during this time of transmission of Earth Shan into 5D.  If we do not awaken to Truth, fail our lessons and our mission, we have agreed to spend a minimum of the next 350,000 years in 3D before we shall have another opportunity as now to graduate to 5D. 
 
    We shall start over in our next 3D schoolroom in our lessons in soul growth, where we left off in this lifestream, but we shall not have the same environment.  We go back to the caves to begin again in our physical existence with no memory of our past and no "Phoenix Journals!"  Sorry!
 
    You talked about the clones in other races and nations.  The U.S. may have a higher standard of living but that does not mean it has less clones.  The indigenous people have less clones than the rest of the population in most nations.  You may be surprised at the clones running the governments of the world and the souled beings living as the "little people" to accomplish goodness.
 
    Be in peace, knowing that you are not a clone,and that you shall pass your tests with flying colors.
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H.
 
11.(Reply)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: CS
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
 
Thank you Patrich: I'm afraid to ask this next question, because I think I know the answer. How do we keep clones separated, not marrying those who are Creator God's soul people of the light? If they commingle can a child be born through the union void of a soul?  I have a very good reasons for asking these questions. I have a step granddaughter that appears to have no remorse for any of her actions I worry about her all the time. I am sorry for taken up your valuable time.
 
With love, light and Blessing to all
CS
 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
     TO:  CS
DATE:  Dec. 6, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear CS;
 
    Normally, a souled parent and a clone parent do not produce a souled off-spring.  It depends upon the intent of goodness of the parents.  Creator God can give the off-spring a soul, for with God all things are possible.
 
    There is no point to worrying about another's pathway.  You cannot orchestrate another's life!  You are responsible only for your own, but you can send positive energy to neutralize the negative energy that surrounds another to allow them more freedom to choose wisely.
 
    Clones are here for our lessons, our choices and the consequences of those choices.
 
    Be in peace!
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer
 
 
12.  (Reply)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: SA
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:12 AM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
 
 Message:

 Comments of post # 10 about clones:

 Just wanted to ask Patrick about this post; How can you tell a clone from an actual person, (passed speculation, observation and ‘enlightened’ thinking, when even the souled ones, have to succumb to ‘rules an regulations’ so to be able to survive (as a slaves) in this society).

 To apply things found in the journals has an element of retaliation and appears evolutionary to the masses.

 From what I read in this site, things are getting worse in every part of the world. The last one about tasering people and animals in the USA   or that thousand of children have been left hungry in a society of over consumption was too much to swallow, and makes me think what is next. How much of this brutality is real?

 I feel, -souled or cloned-, that this world has nothing to offer me apart from tearing me apart deep inside. Let me clarify the latter: the more I feel the less I respond to the outside influences and going even deeper into my being to find consolation  and answers. However this process leaves also numb because the inside in not in agreement with the outside. Thus the questions.

 What needs doing here?

 Regards

 SA

 
 
(Response)
 
FROM:  Patrick H. Bellringer
      TO:  SA
DATE:  Dec. 6, 2008
SUBJECT:  Reply
 
Dear SA:
 
    Thank you for your letter.  To most people a clone is no different than anyone else, but there are clues and signs.  Because a clone has no soul or fragment of Light from Creator God, there is no conscience and no knowledge of good and evil.  Therefore, a clone has no intuition, no compassion, no connection to the Realm of Spirit and no values, morals or ethics.
 
    The clone, like any animal, has survival instincts and is concerned about their well-being, about having a comfortable and healthy life and avoiding death.  Clones are easily conditioned by society to fit in, to follow the mind-control of religion and of military service.  Having no ethics, they make great soldiers and law enforcement people, judges, lawyers, politicians, preachers and priests.  The human clone, born into society, is conditioned to accept the values and morals of that society to be comfortable and to fit in, but never to challenge it.
 
    Hatonn says the eyes reveal the Light of the Soul.  Because there is no soul the eyes of a human clone have no Light.  They have no sparkle but appear dark, dull, hollow or vacant.  Clones are not passionate and caring people of Goodness, but are easily persuaded and influenced.  Under mind control  they make ruthless leaders, dictators and despots, or the common beer-drinking couch potatoes of the masses.  Clones do well in mundane and repetitive action assembly line jobs.
 
    The aura is created by the Light of the Soul, and changes color based upon the frequencies generated by the emotions of the person.  The higher the frequencies the brighter and more lively the colors, while the lower the frequencies and the less Light, the duller and darker the colors such as gray and black.  It follows that to clone has no aura and the frequencies of the body are lower than those of a souled-being.
 
    Lower frequencies cause physical body deterioration.  Many clones today are having serious health problems and at an increasingly younger age.  An enlightened person can sense that negative energy of both a human clone a of an unenlightened souled human, and can intuitively discern the difference.  Enlightened humans may be subjected to the rules and regulations of society to survive, but their attitude, their Spirit, their drive and passion are not lost to the 3D world.
 
    They will survive, and they will be the agents for change when the opportunity arrives.  They are the ones with the determination to make a difference with a sparkle in their eye!
 
                            In Love and Light,
                            Patrick H. Bellringer