'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul? (Updated Dec. 6, 2008)
Patrick H. Bellringer
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Re: 'Hello, Central!' How and Why Would Clones Be Used In Small-Town USA?
If 80% of the world's population is cloned, then is seems pretty obvious that most of the clones do not know they are clones.
If this is the case, then it also seems obvious that there are many clones who are members of religious groups in both Christianity and Islam. You have stated before that clones have no soul and therefore, have no conscience when it comes to the actions they take. But if a clone has no soul or conscience, why would they pursue a life of praise or worship, even if to a false religion? If 80% of the world\'s population is cloned, that would mean a significant portion of both the Christian and Muslim faiths are soul-less beings who have no capability of salvation anyway but believe in the possibility. This perplexes me.
This leads me to my question. If a clone can pursue a religious path and a belief in God, can a clone not also pursue the lighted path or the red flame since they do not know they are soul-less? Could the Creator grant a soul to a being who makes a conscious choice to be different than what they were intended to be?
I ask this because it seems highly plausible that if a clone can be influenced by the lies and deceit put out by the darkside, then they could also be influenced by truth and light. I'm sure there are at least a few people who read your site that fall into this category since truth is being spread now more easily and quickly as the planet moves into a higher vibration and state of being. As the lies and distortions that supported a clones belief start to fall apart, could they not desire and seek out a better existence?
Are there any specific and definitive ways for a person who may be a clone but is seeking truth and light to know if they are a clone?
Thanks you for your insight.
Aloha,
KT
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As far as I know, to make a clone, you take a cell from an animal and you make the exact copy
as it has been the case in
Unless by “clone” you mean something else , I can hardly believe that 80% of the world population are clones !!
Just to make an example, I can hardly believe that in most of the poor third world countries,
they had the technology to make clones and at a such large scale !!
With peace and love
AM
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To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
Dear Patrick,
Regarding your response to KT in this topic: 'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?
The description you gave is very much similar to the story of Pinocchio; the little wooden boy whose nose grew whenever he told a lie. And then, at the end when he learned his lesson that he must tell the truth, he was gifted with a real human body.
Pinocchio is another movie I saw as a kid (in addition to Superman, as explained in the "Satan-Man" email in Hello Central).
So, 80% of humans on earth are soulless? We are to respect them as if they were souled?
This would make complete sense to me, since a (souled) person\'s acts is due to his/her free will. But I can't see \"situations\" being setup by our guides without controlling the freewill acts of others. Could the ones being controlled be the clones? If so, this would answer a question I've been wondering about for some time.
Sincerely,
CB
TO: CB
DATE: Nov. 28, 2008
SUBJECT: Reply
Dear CB:
Thank you for your letter.
Yes, you are correct in your thinking that human clones can be used by either the Darkside or the Light for their purposes without braking the Cosmic Law of Non-Intervention. Many of these clones are here for our lessons in soul-growth.
I would like to correct an error that someone has made in the number of clones at this time on our planet. Hatonn has said that approximately 75% of our present earth's population are clones,not 80%.
Yes, we are to respect clones, as we are to respect any living thing, be it animal or plant that make up our environment. Who know, we may be instrumental in helping a human clone to obtain a soul in this lifetime.
In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer
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From: AM
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:33 AM
Subject: R: 'Hello, Central!' I'm a bit confused about Clones
Dear Patrick ;
As far as I know, to make a clone, you take a cell from an animal and you make the exact copy
as it has been the case in England in the 90’ with the sheep Dolly for example.
Unless by “clone” you mean something else , I can hardly believe that 80% of the world population are clones !!
Just to make an example, I can hardly believe that in most of the poor third world countries,
they had the technology to make clones and at a such large scale !!
Thank you Patrick for enlighten me on this subject.
With peace and love
AM
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4. (Reply)
On reading on this subejct I had an idea that went through my mind that I never really had before but I really would like to know about that subject.
I respect clones for their role as any other part of the whole of the creation and for sure they are teaching and helping us understand many lessons for our soul growth!
I was wondering about the humans that don't have a soul, do their energy impact the light/dark balance on the planet.
I am really intrigued by that though?
It seems that any human, clone or not on this planet can still react angrily or happily or display the apparence of emotions?
Moreover even if they feel or don't feel any emotions, they still have thoughts...
Thoughts affect reality, and because souled and non-souled are made of the same light/matter as anything else do their thoughts affect this reality?
I hope the question is understandable, I don't know if I asked the question right?
In love ang light
FB.
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'Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul?
by looking somebody in the eyes, you can see whether there is a spark of life of God Creator in them or not. Some men\'s eyes are blurred, darkened and empty. I have come to think that these -may- be clones, as they demonstrate a lack of sharpness and clarity, lack of emotion, lack of loving / full eyed contact. The eyes are the gateways to the soul....
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Sorry to bother you again but this subject on clones have gotten my attention.
I have another question. In one of your stories I read that we've been cloned from thousands of years ago (probably by Annunaki, if I have understood it correctly) and in this case does it mean the ones who have been cloned by other humans and they DON'T have a soul - why are they being born this earth? HOW can they reincarnate and most importantly WHY would they even do it if they do not have a connection to God since they are missing such a key ingredient as soul? WHY would they be born into this world continuing learning the lessons and the strive here is to get closer and finally to be totally connected to God. Why would they do that if they can't be, because how can you be connected to God without a soul? I'm getting more and more confused on this topic.
I would totally understand this if this would be regarded to the clones made in this life by our time humans. But if we're talking here being clones from past ages, I do not understand it at all.
I would really appreciate your clearance in this matter.
As always I value your responses very highly and thank you again for your attention.
Love,
PK
Hiya folks! Just was reading the thread on clones and had to smile at the last letter put on that page.
Asking about how clones can repeat lifetimes and advance back to God it seems obvious that cloned beings dont reincarnate as theres no soul to carry on through time, so they just 'evaporate' at death . This explains alot about the nature of so many earthbound people. A soul developing over lifetimes would show effects of its state of developement via talents unlearned in a present lifetime but none the less accessible for use anytime after their development. Souls bring their accomplishments from other embodiments through into their present lifetime. Savants in music and art are obviously versed in their fields without the prerequisite learning in this lifetime. This points to a souled being.
A clone on the other hand has no direct connection to the higher realms and no previous personality timeline they can draw from as experience. They are hollow people with no inner gyroscope to guide them and are becoming more fragile as we go upward in frequency. This bothers me greatly. We all are aquainted with clones as there are so many and the breakdowns in third dimensional bodies and minds is causing much grief.
With with clones having no spiritual framework theres no way to carry over knowledge from generation to generation so culture passed down knowledge word of mouth through dance and pantomime from which later the theater developed. Being purely physical in this passing down of knowledge made developing culturaly an arduous slow path. There are faster ways to grow eh?
Its a hard thing to discus whats happening to us right now in a few words but its as if we are in University in a play with real players on the stage and prop players as well. Many more prop players than real actors. If we do this right all the souled ones will wake up in time and many clones will go towards the light and be given Life. The planet will be renewed as we rise into our power. Humanity will find a place in a galactic society and the expanded fields of interplay will be like we just started to breath finaly. Sounds good to me....G'day eh!
As if you didnt have enough to read already...
in the Light of the One
RT
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Dear Patrick:
I'm back! I have a question that I have been going around with for several days now that I would really appreciate your "take" on if you would be so kind?
First I will state the premise from which I ask my questions.. I think we can safely surmise that there are basically two parts of our vehicles, one on the physical side being the body/brain/ego, and the other, an octave higher, being the mind/spirit/soul or formless side. Right now we can reproduce the first scenario via the clone but when it comes to replicating our higher conponent that's where Creator leaves all the Brain-Childs in the dust! So what that leaves us with isa Frankenstien sort of Replica of a physical man who is driven by the Ego which Creator never conceived as the Leader of anything but rather was designed as a survival agent of the physical body! Therefore, it denies All but itself which means it will deceive, lie and even kill it's host to prevail!
So to simplify this in our thinking, could we consider all the characteristics of the first example to be that of the clones without the benefit of a Hu-man's undeveloped second equation? And, working from that premise, would that also explain why the Draconian approach of the Darkside to use it's arsenal of poisons, frequency invasion, war or any other diabolical mind-control bullshit they can think of to close us up and pull us down to their level or below?And don't they, the darkside, know they now have a Serious problem, Karma-wise, on their hands because of their essentially Devolving human beings back into the animal kingdom from whence we came?
Further, once there,they, the Dark Forces, have to physically maintain this abondamation 24/7 to keep their control and can't they see where that is leading? They, themselves will also become trapped in the nigthmarish creation of their own making? Therefore, I'm asking "are they nuts?" For all their brilliance, can't they See the untimate outcome of this Conquest of their Desire and is this something they really want? To my mind, this is so Unbelievable that I just need someone else's input because I am Stuck!
Patrick, Help! Please!!!! And any corrections in conceptions would be appreciated!
KJ
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But there are souled ones too. I worked with a guy 10 years ago, someone with feelings and who maintains eye contact. I remember, specifically, that his vocal tone was different than those on the subway. Even when he spoke on the phone in Chinese, his tone was real. Even odder, I wondered about all this back then when it was happening.
China has a rather LARGE population, which helps explain the 75% clone number.
If someone does not follow ALL of the Laws of God and the Creation (as talked about in Phoenix Journal 27), are they still eligible for 5D? (Actually, I'm most interested in the Laws contradicted by the information here:
http://www.fromthestars.com/page173.html )
For those who are not eligible, will they get to choose a planet that has the Phoenix Journals as its dominant "religion", to start off on the right track from birth?
Thanks so much for the time spent on your website!
Yours Sincerely,
CB
Comments of post # 10 about clones:
Just wanted to ask Patrick about this post; How can you tell a clone from an actual person, (passed speculation, observation and ‘enlightened’ thinking, when even the souled ones, have to succumb to ‘rules an regulations’ so to be able to survive (as a slaves) in this society).
To apply things found in the journals has an element of retaliation and appears evolutionary to the masses.
From what I read in this site, things are getting worse in every part of the world. The last one about tasering people and animals in the USA or that thousand of children have been left hungry in a society of over consumption was too much to swallow, and makes me think what is next. How much of this brutality is real?
I feel, -souled or cloned-, that this world has nothing to offer me apart from tearing me apart deep inside. Let me clarify the latter: the more I feel the less I respond to the outside influences and going even deeper into my being to find consolation and answers. However this process leaves also numb because the inside in not in agreement with the outside. Thus the questions.
What needs doing here?
Regards
SA