t. Beloved ones, the topic that we shall speak to you all about this evening is one of great importance. The reason for this is that understanding the difference between religion and spirituality is part of the process of breaking out of victim consciousness, breaking out of poverty consciousness and breaking out of conditional love consciousness. Fear was born a long time ago in the root of religion.

Now let us make it clear that when we speak of religion, we are speaking of the formal institutionalized dogmas that have been utilized to manipulate and to control people. In the experience of religion, the general teaching has been to fear God. People have been conditioned to believe that they are sinners the moment that they take the first breath of air into their lungs. People are conditioned to believe that everything that they do that is not in accordance with the specific preaching from their church is considered a mortal sin and the person would be punished by the wrath of God, this instilled a tremendous amount of fear within the hearts of people because people become afraid to act on their intuition, people become inhibited in their ability to express themselves and a warped sense of love manifested/s itself. The reason why we call it warped is because it becomes a conditional sense of expressing love. "You will only be loved and accepted by God if you behave yourself."

"You will only be loved and accepted by God if you go to church on Sunday", "you will only be welcome in God's kingdom if you accept Jesus Christ into your heart, and you have to do this under the guidance and blessing of a minister or a priest". And "you can only speak to God via a minister or a priest". Don't you dare try to speak to him on your own, because this might just give you too much power to lead your own life. (laughter) For decades, for ages people have been controlled by the fear that is being instilled by various religions. And the most painful aspect of all of this is that these religious sects judge and criticize other religions as being wrong, as being evil, as practicing ceremonies and rituals that invoke the presence of the dark one.

And all of them are pointing fingers, all of them are judging, all of them are doing precisely what the Holy Scriptures states not to do. "Judge not lest ye be judged". And this is what they set out to do vehemently. Was it not written that one should love their neighbor as one loves oneself? but then in the next breath let us say, people do not know how to love themselves, so then in fact perhaps it is understandable that they cannot embrace their neighbor, regardless of their religion, regardless of their colour or position in society. God created man in his image, therefore every single man, woman and child is God, an embodiment of God. The Master teacher Jesus also taught that man will do what he does and even greater miracles will they perform.

But many people have not truly embraced these teachings, because a handful of men took the teachings of the great Master Jesus and interpreted it according to their own understanding, according to their own judgment and their ego, and through this the majority of society has formulated an idea which they are following. It is not fact, because the scriptures that have been written -not one of those people walked with the Master Jesus and documented every step, every word, and every action. Therefore people need to accept that there is certain information that is not 100% accurate.

We can safely and confidently say to all of you that approximately 13% of the Bible is true in its interpretation. Now this is a very important fact, because it would be a journey for all of you, to take up the holy books, the Old Testament and New Testament and to read it and to interpret the teachings in your own way. By doing this you will come to see that every single person who reads this book will understand it in a different way. Certain understandings may be similar in their context, but they will in essence be different.

There are many verses of the Bible that we can sit with in argument with many, trying to bring the understanding of what in truth was being said. There are many who cringe at the thought that the Ascended Master Jesus had an intimate relationship with a woman. They will not even hear this, because this gives rise to shaming themselves because their religions taught them that to have an intimate interaction with a person is dirty and is only for the sake of procreation. This is not entirely true. Many have been taught that you must honour your mother and father, but how far have people thought about this statement? Mother Earth, Father Sky is also a part of one's mother and father, because Mother Earth holds you on her body, she nurtures you with the life that she gives to the vegetables and fruit that feeds your body. She nurtures the animals who sacrifice themselves to feed your bodies; therefore she is a part of that process.

Father Sky nurtures the earth with rain, it nurtures the earth with sun, therefore honoring mother earth and honoring father sky is a part of honoring thine mother and father, is this clear to all of you? By understanding that everything is a part of God opens up a whole new chapter of experience in life, and this will move more into the topic of spirituality which we will move into very soon, but we also need to give you a little more history as to how religion has been controlled. In the earliest writings of the Holy Scriptures there were records of information around reincarnation, there is even today information that confirms visitations from the outer worlds. When it is spoken in the Bible that the chariots came from heaven when Jesus ascended people have assumed that it was angels that descended, that it was angels in chariots pulled by horses. This is a confirmation of being exposed to the higher world of spirit that has come forward revealed themselves two thousand years ago already, and who have shown to man that this interaction exists, but do you know Beloved Ones the more proof you give humanity, the less they believe. Ironic but true.

The more you tell a person that this is a fact, the more it will be analyzed, in order to prove that the proof is false. How many times do the scientist sit with tangible confirmation of other such presences, and they dissect it to the point where they feel comfortable with the explanation, regardless of what the truth is. And this is the same with religion.

Certain information from the Bible has been extracted in order to keep society on track so to speak. Now very recently the Pope of the Catholic Church made a statement saying that they are very concerned because the new age is presenting a threat to the Catholic Church. I ask you why? If people are and were so secure in their belief system, it would not pose a threat to any religion per se. The reason why there is fear now, and we are speaking specifically about the Catholic Church here, because they have, we will call it majority influence if we have to look at religion as a whole. Do you understand this? And part of their process has been to keep that power over people, because originally it was believed that if people knew what their full potential was then those who had had a taste of power would lose it, so therefore the greatest matrix that is being broken by understanding the difference between religion and spirituality is the lust matrix. The lust for power. The lust for money, this is where greed breeds itself in the hearts of people, because when there is fear, there is a certain aspect of greed. Fear of lack means that I must take as much as I can now in case there is not enough, and people become greedy. When a person fears losing power they will deceive, they will weave deception to keep people's hearts and minds closed. For many years children have gone to Sunday School and been taught that they must love God, that they must love and honour the teachings of Jesus, yet when they look at the reality of their world all they see is violence, lies, infidelity, instability, pain and sorrow. And this does not make sense to the child's mind, because they are taught and perhaps many of you were taught this as well, that when you welcome the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart, all of your problems are gone. And that when you live a good life, you will be taken care of, and this you are, this is a truth, but how does the child assimilate this, because the teachings say love thy neighbor as you love yourself.

Thou shalt not kill, but what are your movies full of? People killing one another left, right and center, even the cartoons that are featured on the so-called children's channel. Thou shalt not commit adultery, did you know that in South Africa alone, one in every two marriages ends up in divorce and one of the major causes is adultery. What message does this give? Thou shalt not put any false God before me. How many people worship movie stars, pop idols, these are false gods Beloved Ones. And children are supported in honoring this. We are not saying there is anything wrong with acknowledging a persons talents, but when it becomes an idol that they worship then there is danger. Is this clear to all of you so far? So before we even go onto spirituality, ponder for a moment on the message that your world is giving children, and what you as adults are being subliminally programmed with all the time. For instance a man is tempted in every moment of his day, by women half naked on the covers of magazines, this automatically gives birth to a lustful thought in the mind. And even lustful thoughts are committing adultery, because adultery is committed not only physically but in heart and mind too. You must understand this. Women that are so desperate for love that they themselves will present themselves in provocative ways to tempt men for attention so that they can feel loved. In your movies, in your magazines, even in your advertising, the majority of what is presented is based on lust. How can a person break the pattern when they are presented with it all the time? Women are presented with the message that they are not acceptable as they are, if they have round hips, or a round belly or breasts that are in a battle with the force of gravity (laughter) then they are not acceptable. If a woman does not have a certain sized waist or a certain colour hair, she is not considered loveable, and this creates a deep wound in a person's heart. Now the reason why we are speaking about this is because, what society is conditioning everybody with goes completely against what the messages from spirit are. To love yourself unconditionally means to accept yourself as you are - sagging boobs and bottom and all. (laughter) And growing belly and bald patch and all. (laughter) As each person seeks to alter their image through face-lifts or implants or other lifts or liposuction, they are abusing themselves. They are not seeing themselves through God's eyes, the reason for this is that humanity has never been taught to do this. Your body is supposed to be a sacred temple that God resides in, therefore love it, honour it, clean it out, do not put plastic in it or silicone in it or all sorts of other substances that blow up the lips or blow out the crows feet. (laughter) This is creating a false image, because Beloved Ones it is temporary. Eventually you are going to turn 80 and there is no wining the battle with gravity, at least not on other parts of the body where silicone cannot be implanted. (laughter) And this is one of the greatest lessons that humanity has to learn and this is where the bridge between spirituality and religion actually manifests. If a person wants to call themselves a Christian then I will ask - Do you love yourself? The person will then say yes I do. Do you judge others? Sometimes. Then you do not love yourself, because you only judge in other people what you do not accept within yourself. This is a fact. How many of you who have turned away from the church or from institutionalized religion have observed that on Sunday certain people behave like angels but then from Monday to Saturday their behavior is not in alignment with what they practiced or even preached on Sunday. This is not a judgment, it is a statement because people also tried to create false ideals around being a Christian, about being untouchable, that they are perfect beings, but this is not true. They will not admit it, because then it is admitting sin and that is disastrous. How many priests have been exposed over the recent months alone having molested children? Are you all aware of this? How many prominent figures who are so called Christians have come under the scrutiny of the media for getting involved in very shady experiences. But these people are not evil, they are not bad, all they are, are human. And every human being is challenged with certain demons inside of themselves and they have to come out, they have to be dealt with and when a person is locked up in the confines of strict religion these people are dying a painful death inside, because they cannot dare to expose their true identity for fear of being condemned into the very depths of hell as it is put. But did you know Beloved One, that hell is a state of mind, that when one is locked in guilt and shame that one is living in hell already. Every person needs to accept that they are a human being and that there are lessons to be learnt. And the biggest one of all is that God does not punish. There is a law, it is called the Law of Cause and Effect and this is what brings the so-called punishment. This is what shows a person what is right or what is wrong. So as more and more people come to understand that the Law of Cause and Effect is in actual fact the so-called wrath of God, people will begin to break out of victim consciousness. No one is punished by God, not ever, because he created that law. Is this clear? And what this law does, is ensure that no body gets away with anything. Do you understand? So it was a fool proof one, he was very clever when he instilled this particular law. (laughter) Some teaching will say that the universe is lawless because everything needs to be experienced. This is in a way is true, because the planet of earth is where everything can be experienced. From one extreme to the next, however there is a natural law that as you sow so shall you reap.

Now we want to touch on other aspects of religion, which is important as this is touching on the fanaticisms, and this goes both with religion as well as new age religion and spirituality. We are not just focusing on Catholics here, please bear this in mind, these are all forms of religious systems that a fanatical in their belief systems. This is dangerous in all events, because this is where judgment becomes a major issue. This is where one religion condemns another, because they do not understand the other culture or the other system of moving closer to God. We say that if your faith takes you to God you are on the right path for you. If you are at peace and happy in your life and in your belief systems, whether you are Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, whether you are Jehovah's Witness, whether you are Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, it does not matter. It is what is in your heart that matters, that is what makes the difference, not who you are praying to, and through whom you are doing this. No man is condemned for not attending church on Sunday. Being a Christian is about living spiritually in every moment of your day. It is not about asking forgiveness for your sins on Sunday and condemning your neighbor on Monday. This Beloved Ones, does not work and is not the order of the day. Many fantasists condemn the new age religion, or spirituality. The reason for this is because they do not understand it. There has been a tremendous amount of controversy around so called new age belief systems, and it is understandable, because it is a system that has not been openly practiced for a very, very long time. The irony of it is that, many of the new age teachers, and we are calling them new age simply as a description in order to determine the difference between religion and spirituality, we will call them universal Christians. The difference is that, or at least the irony is that they are preaching the same message that the priests and ministers are, except in a different way, but the fanaticisms do not see this. And the new age fantasists who reject other religions are also in judgment. And the middle road is for everybody to allow each person to find their unique way to God. As long as it does not harm anybody else. Do what you will but harm none. Therefore by judging and criticizing another man's road to God is hurting him. Many fantasists still hold onto the old teachings of the Old Testament, one that has come up an immense amount recently is about divorce. And many Christians have great difficulty in understanding this concept, especially for fantasists, they will not allow members of their congregation to get divorced, regardless of how dysfunctional the relationship is, because they believe that this union was brought together by God. It wasn't, it was brought together by man. The priest is giving the blessing. No man can break a bond between a man and woman that has come together in sacredness, that has come together with the purity, regardless of whether it is a marriage ordained by a priest, or whether it has been blessed in a court of law. That in truth Beloved Ones means absolutely nothing in God's eyes. It has always been God's wish and intention that every single person live their life happily, harmoniously, prosperously, abundantly and if you are in a relationship with a man or a woman that is abusive, or either one of the partners is committing adultery, then this does not make for a happy environment, and if there are children in that environment it does not support the children. And many times it is better for the parents to split, in order for them to find happiness and balance on their own, and this teaches their children qualities of strength. They teach their children that is not a law to sacrifice you truth, to sacrifice your happiness or your sanity, you have the power to change your world. And this is where fanaticisms pose a threat to humanities sanity, because many of these men and women may even end up committing suicide, and it has happened. Or even worse, they murder their spouse out of desperation, out of defense. Therefore know always in your heart, that what brings peace to your mind, stillness to your mind, serenity to your heart and happiness to your life is in accordance with the will of God. It always has been and it always will be. And even in the face of challenge you will still feel inside yourself that God is there to support and guide you, not to punish you, not to criticize you. Even if you make a mistake you are not judged by God, you are supported in seeing what the lesson is and how you can take the wisdom from that lesson and better your life. Is this clear to all of you so far?

Now spirituality embraces all of that. Religion, belief systems and life styles, attitudes towards life in general, because being a spiritual being means that you are living it in every moment of your day. Even when you are down, even when you are depressed and angry. There is still the light in your heart that tells you that not matter how bad you feel God is there to pick you up. And you continue on the path, every thought, every action is colored by the presence and the essence of Love. Love is not just the mushy marshmallow stuff. Love is about respect, it is about honour. Now Lady Guineviere has spoken in depth about these qualities of love in her talk on relationships, and this is also about spirituality. Being a spiritual being means embracing yourself, giving yourself the space to find God within you, therefore recognizing God in your outer world. Being a spiritual being is being creative. It is building, even in the face of destruction, the spiritual being will still be able to build once the cycle has come to an end. Now we are not saying that people are trapped in negativity or depression are non-spiritual entities, they are shall we call, lost or wounded souls and need to be supported in stepping out of that darkness. And they don't have to go to a church on Sunday and be saved by a priest or a minister, in order to feel worthy and whole again. For some people this is a necessary experience as part of their journey, but it is not that only way for it to be done. God is ever present in absolutely everything. When you look at yourself in the mirror, God is looking straight back at you. When you embrace your child, or your partner, or your best friend, you are hugging God, and this is where we as the masters are praying that the teachings that we bring to humanity will help to break the matrix of confusion and conflict. Especially of fear with regards to practicing spirituality. With regards to honoring and respecting everything that God has created, from the ant to the elephant, from the roses that grow in your garden to the crystals that grow deep in the belly of the mountains and the volcanoes. Why? Because it is a part of God's body. God created it, it is his/her consciousness, as are you. Humanity, man that is, was given dominion over all the other kingdoms, but this did not mean abuse it. It meant love it, guide it, nurture it. And use it to nurture and to build your own life, your spirit and your body. Spirituality is about embracing every aspect of yourself regardless of how colorful or dull your past was, because everything that you have been exposed to, you have been exposed to for a reason. It is time for people to break out of victim, to break out of guilt and to embrace their spiritual nature. To forgive and to move on. Many of the old teachings have sadly kept people trapped in these emotions. But it is time now to step out of it. It is time to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and develop your own personal relationship with God. It is said that one must state - not my will be done but thy will be done. This is true, and when one states this fact, one is affirming that the will of God and your divine will which will come into manifestation. Therefore if it is your wish and your will to walk away from a destructive relationship, then it is your prerogative, this is your divine right. If it is your wish and your will to break away from a church and find your own way this is your divine right. It is not a law that you have to sit in church on Sunday to be accepted into God's kingdom. As we said earlier it is what is in your heart that matters. The state of a man's heart determines the state of his physical reality and that too is a fact and there is no getting away from that. Now are there any questions that we can assist anybody with regarding our topic?

Question: I have had some discussions lately about the influence of spirituality on a person and I have been asked a question which I am not too sure about. The general question was - so called bad people who do bad things in that sense, I have been asked if there are also angels or spiritual beings who influence you positively from the other side, is there also the negative entities or spirituality which attack or influence a person to do something extremely negative, or is it just that person's conditioning from his past which makes him act that way? What is the spiritual influence from the outside on people's actions?

Lord Kuthumi: There is a light and dark side to everything. When a person is severely traumatized through experiences in their life, they are vulnerable to negative influence. There have been people who have committed diabolical acts who claim that they have heard voices in their heads. That they were told to perform these acts, and it was a very real experience for them. Therefore our answer is yes, this does happen. However these people are not condemned, all that happens is that they have to bring to balance that which they have disrupted. This is often referred to as karma. Is this clear? Does this answer your question?

Question: Lord Kuthumi, I work with a number of people who are under a lot of stress, under a lot of pressure in my profession. For example I was with a group and they were laughing at God, saying God - why is God keeping on punishing me, what have I done wrong? And I said God is not punishing you, you are creating your own reality. And they say that God doesn't give you more than you can handle, and they keep on defending themselves by laughing at God. What would your reply be to these self-destructive statements?

Lord Kuthumi: First of all I would bless them with the divine insight to see the clarity behind what they are in denial about. I would then ask them - why they feel God is punishing them? Where does that belief come from?

Comment: It is easier to blame God, they can't blame themselves, and so they blame God.

Lord Kuthumi: Yes it is, then I would proceed to ask them, what they believe they deserve in life. Note the answers to these questions. I would also ask them what the expect from God? What they expect from Life? And why they are so afraid to lead their own lives? I would also ask them what they are getting out of being victims? What they are getting out of being miserable? And when will they stop and smell the roses, and realize that you are only a victim once, after that you are a volunteer.

Question: When are you a victim and when do you become a volunteer?

Lord Kuthumi: Let us say for instance, a woman is in an abusive relationship. The first time her husband slaps her, she is a victim, the second time he does it, she is a volunteer. The first time the boss oversteps the line it is . the next time it is volunteer. So anything only happens once, after that you are in a way consenting to it. Now this does not mean that people are masochistic or sadistic (end of side one on tape)..It simply means that they are uneducated, unenlightened when it comes to leading their lives. As we said earlier on in our message this evening, that from little children they are already told that God punishes you. A good man is a God fearing man, not so? Therefore what does it create in a child's mind? And we do believe there is a saying that "Boys will be men and little girls will be women" and that teaching they will hand over to their children. And so it is that it is passed down the line. And before you know it the whole world is practicing the same belief system. Well the majority at least. This is why the new age as it is called is bringing a different kind of belief system. It is an empowering one. This is one where the Aquarian age is helping people to bridge between their mind and their heart. It is to find the truth within and to understand the difference of being motivated by love and being motivated by fear. People need to realize that fear is, has been and will always be their undoing, if they don't consciously chose to change it. Fear and God cannot live in the same place, perhaps you can tell them this. So if they chose to invest their energy in fear then they will not have any faith in God. Is this clear?

God is love I say, love whatever is around them then they are honouring God then they are not choosing fear they are choosing Love.

Lord Kuthumi: Precisely, but brother bear in mind that many people do not know how to love. They do not understand the concept of love thy neighbour. "How do I do that?" they will say to you? "Love yourself". "But I do!" , they do not understand it. You understand? So when you say to them love yourself, and they say but I do - then ask them - how often during the day do you criticise and judge yourself? Five, six times? Then you do not love yourself. You understand? People need to be taught how to love because people are masters at worrying and buying into fear. It is far more dramatic, it is far more exciting to look at the dramas of earthquakes, of hostages, of the World Trade Center falling down in pieces, than to look at their own hearts. People who spend their time discussing other people are the most fearful people of all. Is this clear? And those are the ones that need the most love, that need the most love and guidance. In accordance with the highest will of their soul of course, because you do not want to be seen as a new age bible pusher, shoving down their throat your belief systems. And you must change. All you need do is tell them that they are loved, and when they are ready to make that change you will be there, or whomever it is who wishes to be of service, you have to give the person the space to be themselves. Regardless of what it is, and to turn to God regardless of what form God is presenting himself in, in their divine timing. And I have always said that every person is God answering someone's prayer, every single one of you are an answer to someone's prayer. Therefore you are God's greatest gift to mankind. Does this answer your question?

Question: Further to this conversation tonight, I often get involved in conversations with very close friends who are very traditional religious people, pertaining to topic of spirituality. What I have often got back is they say - what you are trying to say is the easy way to God, to go to God you have to suffer. I say excuse me - sacrifice maybe, but suffer? What do you have to say to that statement?

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved One, I stand firmly in my statement that God does not expect his children to suffer in order to prove their love to him. Who you are, what you have as gifts, your talents are God's gift to you, what you make of yourself, what you do with those talents is your gift back to God. That is how you show your love for God. By doing what you do best, by passionately giving and serving. It is not about suffering. Yes there are times in one's life where one suffers, but it does not have to be something that is experienced twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. And people who believe this have obviously chosen a very difficult path and that is what they are experiencing, but that does not necessarily have to be your experience. Do you understand? Sacrifice, compromise, challenges are a part of the learning process, but it is to learn the lesson and move on. And to utilize the gift that you have found in the lesson. This is why we say, with religion it is about breaking out of those four main matrixes. Would you like me to repeat them or do you remember them? It is lust consciousness, victim consciousness, poverty consciousness and conditional love consciousness. Humans have placed conditions on God's love and is it not meant to be unconditional an unconditional God? therefore I rest my case. Anything further.

Question: I don't want to go on but there is one personal question I would like to express. It is very personal to my family, I am a Greek Orthodox, which is very steeped in tradition, with festivals and not wishing to guide my children towards that pure tradition where you don't understand God you just follow tradition. I somehow tend to avoid going to church and my family and my wife say - we have to teach our children that they have to follow God in some way, we have to let them follow our traditional religion practise, it is something for their betterment. Rather than just following any God, and I say yes but this is not true, when we go there what they discover about God is not the reality of God, it is singing and candles and fear and steeped religion, I am not condemning my religion but I don't wish my children to learn that part.

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved One, to teach one's children of God one needs to teach one's children how to respect themselves, and how to respect everybody else. One has to teach one's children the importance and the understanding of unconditional love. One needs to teach one's children the sacredness of all life, that truth is the only way, that integrity is worth one's body weight in gold, that honouring their truth, honouring their environment is honouring God. Many of the sacred rituals and ceremonies are beneficial and perhaps if you like to celebrate certain sacred days because these are a part of various traditions that can still be honoured, all you need to do is remove the prickly bits. Do you understand? Therefore celebrate those days that are important to your tradition and culture. If you are comfortable with it, but at the same time teach your children the true qualities of being a spiritual person. Teach them the natural laws of the universe, there is nothing more sacred than honouring oneself and therefore being able to honour everything else one comes in touch with. Teach them to see themselves through the eyes of God and everyone else, teach them to love themselves through the heart of God and everybody else and you have nothing left to worry about. You are most welcome. Are there any further questions that we can answer?

Question: How can religion be helped to over come their problems? From and enlightened aspect hey have to be forgiven for they know not what they do.

Lord Kuthumi: Precisely.

Just touching them and criticising them for what they do wrong is also wrong again, so one has to go with the aspect of actually forgiving them in order to help them overcome their problems.

Lord Kuthumi: Yes, this is correct. You will find and it is already happening. That as people begin to emerge from the murkiness and mistiness of the old ways they will be attracted to people such as yourself or any of the other people in this room. With questions in their hearts, or they will come across a book, or a teaching and this person will then begin to further their journey and this is when the truth will reveal itself. Not everybody will reform in the next 24 hours, even though we wish it however, it is part of life's journey. If you have somebody from another religion who tries to impose their will on you, thank them for trying to bring what they believe is such a tremendous gift to you. But also tell them that you have your gift and you are very comfortable with it. And perhaps if they would like to know a little bit more about the gift you have got from God you are willing to share it with them, most times they run for the bushes, yes? (laughter) It is important that you take the humour with this, yes. So Beloved One as we said earlier on it matters not what path anyone follows if their faith is true and real to them then this is what will take them closer to God and everybody needs to respect this. Is this clear? You are welcome. Any further questions?

Question: I have a question about child abuse. At what age do we create our own reality and do children actually create their child abuse?

Lord Kuthumi: No not always. Sometimes, and we say and emphasise sometimes it is brought in as a part of a learning experience, we would say a very, very small percentage of this, 3% to be precise, the rest of this is the victimisers choice. Do you understand? This is where free will comes in, this is where the person who is abusing has the opportunity to choose. When the child is abused then obviously certain energy is set in motion, but it is also then the opportunity for the child to then build another energy in themselves, which is to either be victim or victor. Do you understand? And there are children who will, if they are old enough to express the violation that has taken place. And as more parents learn to understand their children and to be in tune with their children, they will pick it up very quickly, and so it can be stopped. Is this clear? It answers your question? You are welcome. Any thing further.

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Lord Kuthumi: At this particular time it is reflecting the battle on a spiritual level amongst men in general, do you understand? It is about ownership, not so and who owns God? No one, therefore to place ownership on a piece of God's body is quite ridiculous, but anyway. All land, everything that is a part of God's creation is there for everyone to experience, however again, this is part of breaking the matrix of lust consciousness. It is as we said, lust revolves around power, greed, revenge, also ownership. Do you understand? So if you have to look at Israel at this time you could say that it is the inner child aspect of the planet playing out, that game of -"It's mine". Do you understand? So to sum up your questions answer, it is that between Palestine and Israel at this particular time they are playing out the inner child insecurities of the world in general. It is also that people are trying to find their spiritual roots. Because this too is in upheaval, Israel as you are well aware is a very sacred place on the planet and as the sacredness is going through this immense detoxification so humanity is going through the same process. Remember, as within so without. What happens in the outer world is a direct reflection of what is going on inside of man. Is this clear? It answers your question? It will be resolved, it will take approximately 3 to 5 years though, let us also add to that, that the more people who come to settle their issues within themselves, who resolve their inner conflict, who build a relationship with the inner aspects of themselves, the more it will reflect in the outer world, and this is a fact. And this is how everybody can contribute to world peace by finding peace within themselves. Resolve your issues, find creative solutions to your inner conflict, make a concerted effort to manifest and maintain, as much as you can, balance and happiness in your life, even in the face of challenge and conflict. Still know that it is an opportunity to change what is no longer working. And this is where God helps one to find a different way, therefore the governments of your world will also learn to find a different way. Is this clear to all of you? Anything further?

Question: Lord Kuthumi, I have two very big questions. First question is I am fortunate to dwell with a lot of light workers on this earth and I have come across teachings which I have received which is regarding the angels, and the gods, and what a small part of the microcosm of God's world that we are, and how God sent other gods to do what they have done to us and they keep referring to yes God who is the prime creator, is God the prime creator and are there other gods influencing our earthly experience?

Lord Kuthumi: Yes there are. The gods of one's ego, this is a big one. There are also the gods of fear, the gods of limitation, the gods of lack, do you understand? Therefore in my understanding and in my experience from where I am I experience God as the source of all life. I experience myself as an entity of light working towards attaining total at onement with this source and all else that has been created is of man's mind, and man's heart and then one can say - yes but that too has been created through God because God knows himself or herself through man's experience. Is this clear? And man gets to know more of God through their experience. Does this answer your question?

Question: Yes, but are there realms above the realms that we believe in? Are there microcosms and multi-universes and stars?

Lord Kuthumi: Absolutely, in actual fact what man can comprehend is a drop, what man cannot even begin to understand or fathom is the ocean, you understand? That's explaining it? Very well.

Question: I have a very personal question. I have a mentor, who is my teacher, Does Neil Donald Walsh communicate with God directly?

Lord Kuthumi: Yes he does, he communicates with that creative aspect that is interpreted as God. That brings a vital message, to help people, to change their ways, especially the ways that no longer support them. Is this clear?

Question: So is he talking to the real God, the God of Gods or is he talking to an illusion of his own god?

Lord Kuthumi: He is talking to the real McCoy! Very well.

Question: Why has there never been a spiritual, for want of a better word, translation of the bible? Would that not be . going to all the teachings, explaining the spiritual level ...

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved Ones, there are different authors who are doing this at this present time. There is also a book that might serve you greatly. It is "The Aquarian Bible" - it is based on the experience of Lord Jesus Christ given from a different perspective, it is written by a person by the name of Levi, perhaps you can ask this channel afterward for the exact title of this book. There is also a man by the name of John Randolph Price who has brought amazing information with regards to better understanding this. There is another author, Annie Byron, who has written "Messages from Mary" who also gives a wonderful explanation of the scriptures of the Holy Bible. There is also the Keys of Enoch that gives a very technical explanation, and only read this if you are in the mood for getting your brain bent completely backwards. (laughter) Do you understand this? Also know that a course in miracles is a very powerful tool to use with regards to these teachings. Is this clear? Are there any questions further that we can answer?

Question: The aspect of the image of God, God has been portrayed as a touching one, a hard one, a punishing one, and of course it created fear and the church as we now know is a wrong teaching lets put it the other way around - let's now teach the people that it's a loving, forgiving, jolly good fellow and it become actually could not care less about God. Is this correct of looking at it now from the point of view of teaching God, .. as we understand or see God and to be tools of his hands.

Lord Kuthumi: This is correct, in some cases people have gone from one extreme to the next, and this is to be expected. And there are some churches who are certainly brining incredible teachings at this time to support people in honouring all aspects. Many of these churches are being formed by individuals who have broken away from the more rigid aspects. You understand? So this is where the new churches are springing from. And yes God is coming in service, just as all of us, including us the masters and the angels and hundreds and thousands and millions of beings who work through all of the dimensions, we too serve God as God serves us. Because we are all one. Is this clear? Very well. Anything further?

Question: Why did God create such misery in this world if he is all creator?

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved One, God created the world, and humans became a part of that. It was through the human experience, the human action that set in motion certain experiences which have resulted in the consequences that humanity is presently experiencing. So in truth, it is not God's creating of this misery, man has created it, and now man has to get himself out of it, by rediscovering God within themselves and in the world around them. So by recognising God in their neighbour no longer will they want to annihilate them. By seeing God in the creatures of the earth, no longer will they also want to completely annihilate them, and this is where the passion and the true creativity of God will re-establish itself. This is where the "Garden of Eden" will once again manifest. Is this clear to you?

Question: Not quite, because it seems like man was created in the Garden of Eden in all its splendour and then God punished man for some reason.

Lord Kuthumi: God did not punish man, when man made a choice it set in motion certain consequences, again the law of action. There is a consequence to absolutely every single action that is taken so it was not God's doing in saying now that you have done this you will be punished, it was a direct consequence to an action. Which is the natural law of cause and effect. Is this clear?

Question: But God made man choose the wrong action, because we are creatures of God and we were created in God's image so why so much misery involved in this issue?

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved One, let us explain something to you. Throughout the ages man has removed himself further and further from the God within, as this separation has manifested so more misery has been born, this has come about through a number of experiences. Yes then we could say God is a part of this, because God experiences himself through man's action. So perhaps it is true to say that God made man make that decision, but man also has free will, this was the gift that was bestowed on man when coming to the earth plane. Therefore God cannot be held fully responsible for man utilizing his or her free will. When a man or woman chooses to invest in fear, rather than love, that is their free will and choice and that gives birth to a consequence. This is why in your world there are those people who are seen as optimists, who are so happy in their life and everything seems to be going well. That is the reality that they have created for themselves, the people who experience misery and suffering need to be supported in finding a different way, and you can say that they are far more experienced in misery and suffering than those who are experiencing stability and peace, but as we said, what goes on in man's heart is not always revealed to another man's eyes. And this is a part of that. Therefore man needs to accept responsibility for his ability to freely choose. Do you understand?

Question: I have not met a man in all my life who has said he is entirely happy. I have seen much, much misery in this world and I have seen people who seemly seem happy are the one's who are wealthy, who have cheated people in order to amass their wealth. It just does not make sense.

Lord Kuthumi: No it doesn't Beloved One. However you need to keep in your heart and mind that there is method to this madness. Every age of experience brings specific lessons, and souls chose to incarnate into that reality to learn certain lessons. When a soul comes into an environment to learn a lesson, part of that journey may very well be to experience poverty, or to experience abandonment or rejection. That is what the earth offers. Believe it or not there are millions of souls fighting their way to incarnate into the earth plane in order to learn what can be learnt here. Because what is experienced on earth is not and cannot be experienced anywhere else ever. Gaia, Mother Earth is the center of attention at this time. What is experienced by people at this time is happening for the first time in earth's spiritual history, which is what makes this particular time line such a vitally important one, because the tables are turning. Mother Earth's cranial plates are shifting, her body is moving and everybody else needs to move with her. I have sat many a time in an earth body, I have wept and turned soil into mud, I have asked my God why he has forsaken me, I have sat in guilt, disillusioned, fear and pain, but that was the journey that I chose at that time. I have walked in many bodies, Beloved One, and in all those bodies I experienced pain and suffering, but I also experienced the joy of having the opportunity to be alive. These people that you speak of that have amassed wealth by hurting others, that wealth will not stay with them, they will lose it. And what they have invested in on a spiritual level will certainly not pay out a good investment when they pass over. Anything that is being acted out with ill intent will have to be balanced, regardless of where the person goes, and whether or not the person chooses to come back to the earth plane. So perhaps it would be good for you to research further, or study further the purpose of Mother Earth, and why souls choose to come here, the opportunity that she offers souls. Is this clear to you?

Question: That is clear but it also means that we come here for certain specific lessons and whatever happens to us is pre-ordained and it will happen as it has been ordained and therefore we really don't have free will or a choice.

Lord Kuthumi: Beloved One, Yes you set a plan up before you come into this world, there are specific maps that are created, but how you get from one point to the next is entirely up to you. So if you have an experience manifest, for instance, heart attack and this heart attack is meant to be a wake up call, to show you to move to a different way of living, and you take heed of this, this will take you on a different pathway, to a specific point. You have made the choice to take heed of that message. If after the 4th or 5th heart attack still nothing has happened, the person chooses that experience by not listening. So you do have divine plan, you do have a divine purpose and there are certain experiences that are pre-ordained, this is known as your destiny or fate, but you still have the choice as to whether you will get there or not, how long it will take and who you will do it with, and what will happen on the way to getting there. We would suggest that you watch a film, a movie, the movie's name is "Sliding Doors". The story is about a woman who has a specific outcome and it gives the story of what happens based on her choice. And that choice gives two completely different realities, two completely different experiences of what she goes through leading up to the final point. So what happens from point A to point B is shown in this movie and what happens when different choices are made, this is a perfect example of what we are trying to explain. Simple choices like getting off of a train or not makes the world of difference. Blessings be with you brother. We have time for one more question before we move on.

Question: You mentioned that the earth is going to change and that the poles are moving, is this part of the year 2012 or is this beyond that into the lives of our children and their children?

Lord Kuthumi: It is a part of this period but it will extend until the year 2025, the earth changes that are happening.

Question: Are these unshakable changes that we will be part of, and how can we change our reality to those changes?

Lord Kuthumi: First of all let me tell you that there was a prophet Nostradamus who made certain predictions, many of them have not materialised, because humanity through their conscious personal choice to work with their processes, have increased the energy to such an extent that those cataclysms did not come into effect, therefore as more and more people build their consciousness and heal themselves, so yes, certain disasters that may have been predicted or have been predicted can very well be stopped in its tracks, through humanities ability to heal itself. Through the choice of investing their energy in love. So is this clear?

Question: So the coming of 2012 be for us an act of love or an act of fear? Should we love it or should we fear it?

Lord Kuthumi: Love it, because it is brining the gift for everybody to step into a completely new consciousness. Many people are afraid that this is going to be the end of the world, an Armageddon so to speak. However it has been said that in 2012 the world as you know it will come to an end, and this is true. The world as you know it. So the way people experience life will change, the way people interact will change, and is already changing, so the journey leading up to 2012 is in actual fact far more trying than will be 2012. Is this clear?

2012 will not be an overnight experience, it will be a cumulative response to our day-to-day lifetimes.

Lord Kuthumi: Just like Y2K, Yes, do you understand? After 2012, let us put it this way, the amount of input that is being given out to humanity at this time with regards to spiritual evolution and upliftment will result in one example, the way people relate to each other, especially children and adults. The education system that you are accustomed to now will have changed dramatically by that time. Subjects that are taught in the education system will have changed dramatically. Children will be educated in many different areas, with regards as to how to live in the real world, besides just having to learn mathematics and science. The science of love will be taught, the science of spirit will be taught, the science of economics will be taught. The science of the universe will be taught. If you look closely at your world and the changes that are happening now, you will see very clearly what will already be in full swing by 2012. Watch the education system and look at the relationship with the new generations and how that is changing. That will be very clear at that time. Therefore the way humans relate to each other in general will be dramatically different. Very exciting times. And so it is beloved ones that we close our message this evening by thanking each one of you for your presence, and thanking each one of you for choosing to be who you are, for living the life that you live. Being spiritual is not about being perfect. Being spiritual is about being a human being. And by being human you allow life ...

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