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CASPER 4-7-10 RESPONSE TO MR. BELLRINGERS OPEN LETTER TO CASPER (Updated with comment 4/23/10)

My Opinion Piece, at least in my own mind, was directed at Obama and his foreign policy activities which seem to me to corroborate his Marxist domestic policies and his naiveté on any stage, especially the 'world stage'.

It was not an attempt to argue for Zionism or the rightness of the Israeli position in world affairs. To the extent I unthinkingly took a Middle East 'political position' it was against Islamic Fundamentalism rather than for Zionism. Passion's run deep with these subjects, with this geography, with this history, with these peoples and within those around the world who form opinions and 'choose sides' based on religious as well as political points of view. Stepping into such quicksand was an accident and its not the first time I have managed to do so unintentionally. Now that I am waist deep in my self created mess I will attempt to extricate myself as best I can with the following.

When WE reported Obama's secret trip to Beijing a couple of weeks ago with one outcome being China's demand for all U.S. grain production to them to feed their starving peasant population it occurred to me, after the fact, that readers might view that update as an argument against 'saving' these Communist people when that was the furthest thing from my mind. My argument was that Obama is selling out our Country sometimes with Weapons Technology, or Eminent Domain, or, in this instance, U.S. Agricultural Production. I use this as an example of how a seemingly innocuous comment could easily be misinterpreted or have more than one meaning.

The Government of Israel and the people of Israel are two different things. Islamic Fundamentalism and modern Muslim States are two different things. The U.S. is another example. 'We The People' and the D.C. Corporation are two different things. If Israeli Mossad was responsible for 9-11 do you think 'the people' of Israel would support it? Do you think the Jordanian people support the mass murder worldwide by Islamic TERRORIST under way for well over 20 years? Do you think the REVOLUTION now under way in America would be possible if the people supported the Corruption of the Corporation?

The Iranian Government and the Iranian people are two different things. The 'people' are protesting in the streets and being murdered by their Government for doing so. The Government has stated its intentions quite clearly, to destroy Israel. If you were an Israeli Citizen besieged on all sides, attacked constantly sometimes by entire Army's, would you not defend yourself? That's not Zionism, that's self defense.

As for the History and who is right or wrong I am going to try to learn a lesson from this episode and not compound the problem by going there. I will use a different example to make a point.

There are many, Mr. Bellringer included, who believe Jesus did not die on the Cross but was in a trance like state, recovered, went to India, lived a long life and died in Kashmere. True? Untrue? I don't profess to know but what I can say is that Fundamentalism of any stripe or color precludes the consideration of this and many other possibilities (reincarnation, cosmic civilizations, other dimensions, etc.) other than those accepted as fact by the purveyor of a particular Fundamentalist point of view. Picture a Muslim child born to Muslim parents in a Muslim Country rocking back and forth in a Wahabi school memorizing the Quran then a lifetime in Mosque reinforcing his beliefs. What do you think the chances are this MAN will now become a Christian or a Jew? That he will ever accept any point of view other than what he has been taught all his life? Now I ask you, is this MAN a child of God or isn't he? And if he is a true believer in what he has been taught, even Jihad, and sets out to murder as many Infidels as possible, what then? So what is my point? That there is no end to the variety of 'the religious beliefs of man' as reflected in the fact there are more than 2000 types of 'Christian Churches" in the U.S. alone each believing something different enough from the others that they break away and form their own Church. Most religions have their 'Fundamentalist' branches and participants who are intolerant of any other view to the point some are willing to kill you if you disagree with their beliefs. The Taliban is an example. Freedom of thought is at war with Fundamentalism all over the world. Muslim Extremist/Fundamentalist/TERRORIST are at the heart of this conflict all over the world. The West in general and the Israeli people in particular have, IMO. the right to defend themselves against these 'Fundamentalist' murderers. I do not consider this to be Zionist thought or a defense of Zionism, simply common sense.

I once owned a Restaurant. It was written up in the "xxxxxxxMonthly Magazine" as Restaurant of the Month for the entire State of xxxxxxx. My Operations Partner was Iranian. He escaped the existing 'Fundamentalist Regime' along with tens of thousands of other Iranians when the Shah was deposed so I have had the opportunity to learn a little about Iran. Iranians are wonderful people. Americans are wonderful people. Israeli's are wonderful people. It is not "the people" of these Countries but their Governments that are the problem. My view, which you have asked me to clarify, boils down to Freedom vs. Government suppression with Freedom of Religious Thought at the core of this response. We fight in America to rid ourselves of suppressive corrupt Government in our own way as the Iranians do the same in their own way. Before Ahmadinejad there was Hussein in Iraq and the unbelievable horrors visited upon his own people which has nothing to do with the separate question of whether the U.S. should have intervened. Then there is the Taliban and Al-Quaeda and the lives they have destroyed, not American, I refer to the torture and murder of their own people and anyone anywhere who disagrees with them. To my way of thinking it is not necessary that I be a Jew or a Zionist to wish Israel the best in their centuries old fight against these Religious Fanatics as I do sincerely believe they are hell bent on bringing their Terror here unless it is stopped there.

Governments are not people, they are instruments of brute force with competing elitist agendas usually economic in nature. They are "CONTROLLED" by forces greater than themselves, usually Banking and Illuminati interest. Often they are very willing participants and/or pawns of such interest. These Governments are not "the people". Governments with Fundamentalist Religious Agendas are different still and are the most dangerous Governments on earth and to my knowledge the only ones who have publicly stated their desire to wipe out those with different beliefs are the Islamic Fundamentalist Governments. The BUSH DOCTRINE of pre-emption has caused great confusion regarding who is actually exercising their right of 'self defense'. This is extremely unfortunate as the complexities of the Middle East require clarity and co-operation not confusion.

This "intersection" of Political Agendas and Religious Fanaticism in the Middle East makes explanations treacherous in anything less than big book format so I'm sorry I brought it up at all. There are hundreds of thousands of books to choose from and millions of churches and mosque espousing their points of view week after week, century after century.

My opinions have to do primarily with Obama and my view that he is leading our Country off a cliff on all fronts including Mid East Policy. There is plenty of Obama Corruption to write about without getting into this quagmire.

Besides, its "Biblical" and above my pay grade.

casper 4-7-10

#1 (Reply)

----- Original Message -----

From: MW

To: Bellringer

Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: Casper unaware?

Hello Patrick,

Thank you for pressing the Israel/Iran issue with the Casper/WE folks.

Whatever is happening on the front lines of the NESARA battle (behind the scenes), is of the utmost importance to this last, brief chance at spiritual growth for all of humanity. The complete fall of the dark cabal, will be a glorious opportunity for many souls to learn final, critical lessons! Myself, and many others who read Fourwinds, cannot physically be in the rooms and places where good people are overcoming the dark ones, so we contribute by prayer and offering our "Will" to the defeat of the dark. I have no doubt, NONE WHATEVER, that pure intent by a sufficient number of us would finish the dark cabal (vampires cannot live in light, and light emanates from our "intent")

The dilemma is that I am now reluctant to offer my "Will" in support of those that call themselves Casper/WE. I cannot reconcile a few things about Casper's reply:

1. Casper believes the Iranian President is a "Terrorist". How Casper can even MENTION the word "Terrorist", and NOT ALSO mention Zionists/Israel/USA Corporation in the same sentence, is shocking at a minimum. The Iranian President is a stooge in these evil games, just like Obama, Gordon Brown, and any other Mason/Secret Society controlled leaders. It is who is calling these political leaders moves that matters, and to not see Zionist/Kharazian "Jews" as major 'over seers', is either through woeful ignorance of history, or it is an intentional effort to have us "look elsewhere" for the source the evil. Ignorance when Truth is available, or willfully distorting Truth, are not acceptable to a Truth seeker!

2. Casper states he didn't want to "go there", with respect to Zionism. How can Casper's people be involved in seeing NESARA/deliveries through to completion, without acknowledging the primary "ground troops" who are BLOCKING it? There are other powerful groups and individuals (Vatican, British Monarchy) who contribute to the psychopathic goal of a One World Order, but absolutely NOBODY "in the know" can simply hope to "avoid the Zionist question".

Casper's answers really are not direct or to the point. "Too busy" to get into a subject that, at it's core, is FUNDAMENTAL to why we have not YET seen NESARA announced, is more than suspicious.

I know there are 1000's of good, and real people battling the front lines on behalf of all humanity to see NESARA through to completion. I have no doubt Casper's folks have laid out some accurate and valuable info, but alas I do not now believe we are getting info from a pure, uncorrupted source. Seriously, Iran's President a "Terrorist", while Zionism doesn't even warrant discussion? Oh my, this tells us so much! I am praying tonight that another messenger will come forward soon, to help bring light to what is really happening "behind the curtain". All Truth seekers want to send spiritual support and "intent" to the RIGHT PEOPLE on the front line, and it would sure help if some of them would step forward to help us direct our petitions.

I will continue to read Casper's updates, Poof's weekly, Chris Story's "protect the Queen" diatribes, and others, to look for some nuggets that ring of truth. All of these 'messengers' are saying in some way, "Don't look here, look over there for the real bad guys!". Someone out there will come, soon, with truth about the NESARA play-by-play, and we will know by their words!

Thank you Patrick, for your relentless pursuit of Truth and Light for humanity.

In Love and Infinite Light,

#2 (Reply)

----- Original Message -----

From: EW

To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:00 PM

Subject: RE: CASPER 4-7-10 RESPONSE TO MR. BELLRINGERS OPEN LETTER TO CASPER

The response of MW, is, on the whole, positive, but, there still is leave for some added words relative to Casper's reports and opinions.

First, in the arena of battle, it is obvious that one cannot hope to prevail over the opposition if one reveals one's game or battle plans to one's opponents. I think that Casper often makes that fact quite clear.

Second is the question as to where the philosophy called Zionism originates. Where did the remnant of the Hebrews, the Judeans and Benjamites, learn about Zionism, and from whom?

Was it not from the Red Robed Priests of Isis who were the King/Priests who ruled Babylon from about 1,500 BC to around 500 BC? Was not the Talmud and the Cabala gained from or originated in Babylon between 580 and 540 BC? At least that is the basis of the re-education into Zionism/Pharisee-ism that we find in the Old Testament.

And, where in the World do we find that the Red Robed Priesthood of Isis has existed since about 300 BC? Has their headquarters not been the 'Hill of Sacrifice' (Vatican) found in Rome - a place that has been made an independent city/state within Rome, Italy?

And, from where does Marxism come? Is it not the 'collectivist' policy of the fascist structure established by Rome and continued into modern times by the Pontiff of Rome's Holy Roman Empire. With all human institutions in that system being made into 'make-believe ships at sea' - incorporated bodies, the philosophy of the administration of a ship at sea is that the ship is primary and the 'crew or team' follows in structural importance. The human crew-members are just useful and replaceable 'body parts' -members, to be administered under the rule of 'good order and discipline on the ship.

According to the research of Michael Tsarion, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers (Rothafels)are Khazarian by blood, but Jesuit by secular Zionist belief.

http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons-additional.html

EW

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