Dear Mr Bellringer,

My thanks once again for forwarding the questions from Mr DG.

Below is my response on same. Unfortunately, it is quite extensive as it covers Three (3) separate articles published on RMN, all of which are highly relevant to Mr DG's questions.

If you do not object, please publish all of my response as I believe Mr DG also posts to RMN, whereby he can copy it all across and send this to RMN if he wishes.

Kindest regards and God Bless.

Mr. Whistleblower

Response starts here:-

Dear Mr DG,

 

Your recent questions have been forwarded to me via Mr Bellringer of fourwinds10.com, for which I offer my answers / response below each relevant section.

 

However, and with your permission, I would like to cover an item that is misinformation and never corrected on RMN, even though a request for correction was issued direct to Rayelan. It is 100% essential that the truth not be distorted by misinformation, whether accidental or otherwise so my apologies to you for inserting this particular request for correction, on the basis on “Let’s get the record straight so correction is necessary”.

 

Dear Rayelan,

I find it necessary to write to you reference to a “Point of Needing Correction”.

I refer specifically to the article (sections thereof) below which I have highlighted in Yellow.

May I respectfully point out to you and all Readers who have been following this particular subject matter, that following the publication of this particular article, which I was astounded to read some of the comments thereof, I deliberately checked back on all possible communications to fourwinds10.com. (some, the very earlier ones, were not possible to check as I am in hospital and unable to presently access same).

I would like to point out to you and the Readers that NOWHERE in my articles have I ever stated that Marcos is still alive.  You may have inadvertently got me mixed up with someone else, or communications got mixed, or something. It doesn’t matter what happened, or how it happened, but I would be pleased if you would publish this short communication to correct such matters in people’s minds. It is essential and highly necessary to ensure the FACTS and TRUTH is always published so that people can appraise and analyze things for them selves to ensure that their own perceptions and judgements can be made without being misconceived, diluted, distorted, or similar, by small bits of misinformation.

The actual reference to Marcos may, or may not be accurate, to which it is not for me to comment on same, although I do have some knowledge of this (which I have had for some considerable time) but I have yet to verify such information. That, to me, would mean meeting with this person called Marcos and ensuring that such identification verification is undertaken by an official body in conjunction with the official files / samples of Fingerprints, blood, etc. That day has not yet come and therefore, neither can I claim any benefit from such a statement, claim a “Scoop” from such a statement, or have such a statement attributed to myself which may result in negative statements either about myself or about what I write. The TRUTH is the TRUTH and I will never tolerate distortion of same even if it is accidental.

Thank you, and my thanks to you for publishing this issue and allowing the TRUTH to be brought before the eyes of many, who previously had no idea of what was, and has, been happening.

Whistleblower.

N.B. Please do not publish my name or e mail address under any circumstances, either now or at any time in the future.

Refer below for the relevant sections of the said article.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=147176

Letter from David West to CASPER Results in Comments from Whistleblower and Condescending Insults from Bellringer

Posted By: Rayelan <Send E-Mail>

Date: Wednesday, 20-May-2009 03:51:11

 One of the more outlandish things that Whistleblower is saying is that Marcos is still alive. Now who in the world can read this and believe it?? I can. Because I was told the same thing over a year ago when friends of mine were meeting with him.

And yes, he has a real son that no one knows about. There are a lot of things that people don't know about Ferdinand Marcos... including his real Chinese name. BTW... whatever they have done to him, he looks the same... maybe even younger. But... for legality's sake... a thorough check was done to be sure it WAS him... and All the scars, all the fingerprints, elbow prints, footprints, etc are the same.

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Now... on to the real show...

Introducing... Whistleblower... from Fourwinds... dissecting Mr. West from RMN's article to Casper...

Calling all Caspers... where are you??

So that part of what Mr. Whistleblower said is correct.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php?q=1242749964

THE LAST TENTACLE OF THE OCTOPUS

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Now I will refer to your specific questions:-

 

May 23, 2009

 

Dear Mr. Whistleblower:

 

In this email I would like to ask you two questions that are relevant to the current world crisis?  Previously you had mentioned a forum called Redcats board, so I did a little research and discovered some interesting blog entries.  One was a cached google entry about an attorney named Andreas Jawruk (AJ, pardon the spelling, the website re-directed quickly and would not allow me back in?).  AJ, apparently knew too much and was murdered?  Can you discuss with the readers what happened here because he was then the current attorney for the OITC?  This is assuming it is not a classified matter?

This is a question I have answered previously, albeit sometime ago. In fact it was on 14^th April 2008. I have copied across that very same response below, including the original question from a Mr P :-

I believe it's more accurate to say that your Legal Counsel was found dead from a gunshot wound in his hometown (in Switzerland).

That depends entirely on whether one believes Press Reports or hard evidence that did not appear in the Press, nor has yet been released publicly. Yes, Legal Counsel was found dead from gunshot wounds and it was quickly expedited and assessed, without an autopsy or forensic investigations, as suicide.

However, there are facts that you and others are unaware of.

Two (2) hours prior to the recorded time of death, our Head of Intelligence and Security was speaking to Legal Counsel on the telephone. Our Head of Intelligence has given a full “Affidavit” which clearly states that Legal Counsel was in a high spirited frame of mind, very happy with his new young wife, and very positive and buoyant regarding his actions against UBS, clearly indicating that UBS had raised the “White Flag” and was in the process of conjointly resolving the long term question of the Assets of the Collateral Accounts under their Custodianship, which they had illegally used for many years. In the “Affidavit” our Head of Intelligence states that Legal Counsel claimed that UBS realised their days were over, and that any agreement with us would save them from International embarrassment.

In addition to that, we have had Forensic specialists working on all of this, not only with the material evidence but also with the family, whom by the way, dispute and have always disputed the comments and findings of the Police. In the professional opinion of the Forensic experts, the position and shape of the body, the gun and the blood splashes, could not derive from any act of suicide (They detail various proven forensic and medical factors here, including photographs). Their report is very conclusive and confirms that suicide was, in their opinion, impossible, citing very recent bruises to parts of the body that clearly indicate restraint by a third party which were totally impossible to inflict by the victim himself.

Privately, we have sought an independent professional review of the evidence, or part thereof, contained in the first report. The report of the independent Forensic party was also conclusive and confirmed the technical factors as stated within the first report.

The overall conclusion, in writing, of both independent Forensic parties, conclude that suicide was totally impossible and that in their professional opinion death was sustained by the actions of an unknown third part, which in legal terms amounts to MURDER.

We are still investigating matters relevant to this. One prominent factor was that “Death Threats” were and had been received (These are reported and recorded). These are no different, although maybe issued by another person or party, to other “Death Threats” received by other Officers of the Institution, including our Chairman on whom an attempt, by “Heptic” poison, was made just 3 months later.

You will appreciate that investigations following something of this nature, can go on for years, but we intend that the real truth of Legal Counsel’s death to come out, as neither we, or the two independent parties engaged, or the family of legal Counsel, are satisfied at the “convenient and expedited” manner in which the Swiss authorities closed this case, based upon the independent experts reports we now have at hand.

We are fully aware of what Legal Counsel was handling relative to UBS and the risks he was taking, but Legal Counsel took them and suffered as a result. It is also quite common knowledge that it is highly dangerous to take any Swiss Bank to task upon its own territory. Suspicious deaths of Bankers and Attorneys, not just in Switzerland but in various other countries as well (The London Bridge incident with the Italian Banker springs immediately to mind) have occurred before and no doubt they will occur again in the future.

Secondly, Casper, Poof and Christopher Story, are adamant that the ‘deliveries’, or the ‘settlements’ will occur, they are completely without any doubt this will happen?  Now, since reading your many entries on fourwinds10.com, you have stated that payment, deliveries, or the settlements are actually a theft of the collateral accounts of the global debt facility?  They are a theft due to the collateral that these ‘programs’ generated huge sums of money through the various mostly European banks. 

 

Let me first reiterate what I have previously stated, just so that any person involved doesn’t misunderstand the subject issue.

 

There are very few genuine Trading Programs, but there are many scam Trading Programs of which thousands throughout the world have been caught up in and lost considerable sums of money.

The real genuine Trading Programs are highly specialized and are for special purposes only. Few and Far between, these are not publicly advertised and are usually handled by the highest possible personnel in the Federal Reserve, Western International Banks, and sometimes Government.

The Federal Reserve will always deny existence of these Trading Programs, no matter how hard one gets to try and force their hand on exposure.

The scam Trading Programs are usually initiated by crooks who usually do not have access, and know very little about Trading Programs, spinning their web of deceit is a very plausible manner. They use all sorts of tricks, naming names that people recognized, big returns, weekly payouts etc, but nothing ever happens, no program, no monetary returns, just lies, more lies, and continuous lies.

What money was invested in the first place by various people, or paid to cover contributions to Legal and Banking Costs, was, more than likely, used to fund someone’s extra-ordinary lifestyle, or fund covert operations by a specific Government Agency.

 

In respect of the genuine Trading Programs. What I have previously stated is that where such Trading Programs have been generated by the illegal use of assets of the Collateral Accounts, such programs, if they were ever allowed to start; would result in no payouts being experienced by anyone of the participants. In fact, quite a number of people have ended up being incarcerated for handling stolen property and complicit to Fraud.

Where the programs were never allowed to start, any money paid by participants, whether contributions or otherwise, would have ended up in someone’s private bank account fueling their extra-ordinary lifestyle.

If it was an asset of the Collateral Accounts being used as the Collateral, the program would not normally have started whereby the collateral would have been confiscated and returned to the Collateral Accounts. Any contributions, or payments, made by individuals would be lost.

 

Where the Trading Programs did, or were, actually start, or allowed to start, using assets of the Collateral Accounts; which I add would have been very few programs, there would be no payouts for those initiating the Trading Programs whereby the Collateral and the returns would have been credited to the Collateral Accounts.

 

The “Farm Claims” that people refer to are NOT deriving from any Program. This is as a result of a legal action against the Government, or part thereof, albeit a separate Government Authority. This would not have been allowed into any genuine program as its basis does not comply with the relevant regulations, character, and objectives of the genuine programs. It is the United States Government, or part thereof, that is responsible for these payouts under the law of the USA and as adjudicated by the relevant courts.

 

“Prosperity Programs” and “Freedom Programs” appear to be different and applicable to Trading Programs.  The question here is whether a person or persons actually put up the enormous amount of legal and verifiable Capital or Collateral that would be required to generate the sums which were expected.

My guess is NO on this, and I suspect that such programs were based upon the illegal use of assets of the Collateral Accounts. When you read everything possible about such “Prosperity and Freedom Programs” you soon realize that these are Government connected in one way or another and that people haven’t really put up their own Capital / Collateral, but they may have contributed to expenses on a continuous basis over many years. That leads you to believe that it was someone else’s Collateral being used for these Trading Programs.

We are fully aware of several programs which were operating, using assets of the Collateral Accounts. Whether these programs were the same as the “Prosperity or Freedom Programs” is still a little questionable, based upon the fact that many people involved (Contributors / Investors) have written to me on the same subject matter, whereby I have requested copies of all the relevant documents and the collateral used. Unfortunately, even though I try to help people. No one, and I mean no one, has responded by sending me any such information at all, so I guess they really do not want to know the truth because it would hurt them too much.

 

You can be fully assured that IF, and I say IF with only a slight degree of hesitation, these Trading Programs were actually using assets of the Collateral Accounts, then such use of said assets would have been illegal and fraudulent without any doubt whatsoever, and therefore payments to participants would NEVER be made.

I will also point out that we do not use our assets (assets of the Collateral Accounts) in any Trading Programs. We have no need as our assets are enormous in value. There can therefore be no question as to legal use or illegal use of our assets in Trading Programs, as it would be totally and undeniably illegal use.

 

In fact my belief, and it is only my belief but based upon experience and knowledge, is that you will find that these programs / returns, albeit illegally using assets of the Collateral Accounts, have actually been used to finance covert operations.

Where this has been recognized, the collateral and the returns would have been credited to the Collateral Accounts. If they haven’t yet been recognized as illegally using assets of the Collateral Accounts, they soon will be.

 

These would ALL be “Off Balance Sheet” and therefore there would be no official record of same within any accounts at the Federal Reserve, the US Government Accounts, Treasury Accounts, the Commercial Banks involved, or similar.

People are dreaming if they still believe these programs will pay out after 15 – 20 years. Write it all off and start your lives over again. This was a bad dream and one that you must forget and get on with life.

If I may I would like to give an example that should make you realize fact from fiction.

The IMF is desperate for additional capital to finance the countries in extreme Financial turmoil. Do you not think, or even believe, that the IMF would be allowed to use its capital base or SDR as Collateral to enter a Trading Program thus taking the burden off the Taxpayers of the World with the extra 750 bill USD they are supposed to be receiving following the G20 meeting on 2^nd April 2009, plus of course the added extra of the SDR’s.

Now take a short time to think about the above statement and ask yourself how you appear to be more important than the IMF, or how America appears to think it is more important that all the other countries of the world who are in desperate need of Financial Assistance. It’s no logical is it?

 

Is it possible that people in high places in various governments can arrange for these settlements to occur without the International Treasury Controllers permission? 

 

Anything is possible when you are dealing with Crooks and Financial Bandits. It is possible therefore, and only to get themselves out of the quagmire they are in, that the Crooks and Financial Bandits will arrange for some payments to be made, BUT, BUT, BUT, it should be remembered and clearly understood by all, that if these payments were generated from illegal use of the assets of the Collateral Accounts, then there will be a PAY UP AND PAY BACK factor not far down the line, or face criminal prosecution as being a party to fraud and Fraudulent Deception, Fraudulent use of Stolen Property, and so on.

 

After all why stop, when the vested interest is in the trillions of dollars and your livelihood depends on the charade of a USD reserve currency? 

 

Correct, why stop now. They need to protect their buts several times over. They also need to protect their illicit Financial System. Ultimately it will all come down to the USA being held fully responsible and liable for illegal use of Collateral Account Assets, for which they can’t pay because they are already so much in debt, so they will put this on to the American Taxpayer for generations to come, just like the $3 trillion USD fraud back in the 90’s where the US Government, just to keep things quite and off Government records issue $3 trillion of Obligation Certificates through Freddie Mac, Fanny Mae, Jenny Mae, in the form of Global Debt Facility Certificates as a liability against these three organizations.

 

They are willing to kill for it.  Correct. Many have experience this in the past and no doubt many more will experience it in the future.

Or is a matter of how you define 'deliveries', 'payouts', and 'settlement'?

I will leave that question to the people’s own interpretation.

 

It is my sincere wish not to disrespect the above parties, but how can deliveries occur when the funds were actually generated in an arbitrage situation using other people’s money? 

 

Legally, they can’t, but if they do, there will be legal consequences in due course. Illegally is a different matter. They have done and undertaken exactly what they wanted over many decades and no one stopped them. They will believe they can carry on as normal. Unfortunately that is not the case. The net is closing in fast and the big crunch is not far away.

People need to start realizing that America is bankrupt several times over, and it can not carry on in the same old manner. Something has to give and the world is demanding it. The good days of exuberance and debt, is over. Everyone has to start facing reality, and very fast.

 

Perhaps Casper and Poof can send me a private email with some information of their own?

 

That is a good idea. Also, if any person reading all of this has any documentation, including copies of the Collateral used for these programs, then please send it to me because I can then give you very definitive answers very quickly. This comment also relates to an additional factor which was found on RMN this morning, which I refer to below as a separate, but related issue.

 

Best Regards,

DG

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Article at RMN today:-

Reader goose: "THE UTTER CONFUSION THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO FOR MANY YEARS."

Posted By: hobie <Send E-Mail>

Date: Saturday, 23-May-2009 19:13:57

In Response To: Reader: "THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PROGRAMS" (hobie)

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=147401

 

Second article at RMN today, which is more important that the above article.

Posted By: hobie <Send E-Mail>

Date: Saturday, 23-May-2009 14:03:49

In Response To: 1st CASPER for MAY 23rd - "And yet, here WE sit typing instead of opening a package." (hobie)

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=147387

It is this article which has several critical points, whereby I can only advise that people read all the article, whereas I have extracted large parts of the article rather than fully copy over a very lengthy article. Please refer below:-

I have inserted my comments on this article in Bold Red Print.

(Thanks, S. :)

Reader S. sends us a long, rambling write-up regarding the "prosperity programs". Some sections of it are repetitious. Yet, it may contain some of the missing "puzzle pieces" in all this.

Some of the information included here stands in contradiction to some of the information we're hearing from other sources.

In particular, reported conversations between Buckley and Kodosky would suggest that "Omega" and some others might be derived from 'scam' financial transactions that began with a "secret treaty" among many nations.

At least one other source, however, says that the thing called "Omega" has to do with the disbursal of funds held in an old foundation/trust.

We don't know. :) Reader S. suspects at this point that Treasurygate may have been the "mother" of several other programs including Omega. My best guess today is that Omega was/is entirely separate, and Mike Kodosky just happened to have had the necessary connections to find out details of Treasurygate and any programs related to it.

WORTHY OF NOTE: Reference is made to names of leaders that are listed on some "instruments". It's not clear whether that refers to the secret treaty or to certain financial instruments based on terms of that treaty. One of the listed names is "Mahatma Gandhi", who died in January, 1948. It seems doubtful that Gandhi would be listed as "Mahatma" when his actual name was "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi". "Mahatma" is a Sanskrit word meaning "Great Soul".

Reader S. writes:

Thoughts re: the 'Programs', from someone who ....

Hello Hobie, (please do not post my email)

I am very grateful for RMN and any light it can shed on these Programs, whether it be labeled Humanitarian or Prosperity.

My reason for this interest is, in the spring of 2002 I was told by a friend to call a certain person who would give me the details of a Prosperity Program called, FREEDOM. I had no idea what that meant, but my friend said to call because the returns were ?more than adequate.? So, I called Lee & Peter Crundall from Clearwater, Florida.

The conversation with Lee Crundall was very upbeat, she was very enthusiastic about the program and assured me that this was absolutely real and the person who was ?behind? the program was extremely well known in the U.S. and around the world. I asked who that might be, and without hesitation she said, ?Henry Kissinger.? That is probably the last person on this earth that you should believe when it comes to programs. I asked her why he would involve himself in something such as this (helping the average

American), and her reply was, ?He wanted to help the U.S. economy after the 9-11 event and this was a good way to stimulate the economy.? Well, ?that?s nice of him?, I thought! Nice Yes, but where is he now when America is more desperate for money than what it visibly was after 9/11.

I hung up the phone and after talking it over with the person who referred me to Lee & Peter Crundall, I decided to participate. The contract was sent, along with my money, Respectfully, but that is not how Programs are initiated or organized. and I was to start receiving money on a weekly basis at the end of 90 days once the Program filled up with approximately 800 participants.

I found out from speaking to Lee over the next month or two that there was a FREEDOM program that had started earlier in 2002, and that administrator was out of Colorado. She told me I was in FREEDOM I - - - (the first program was named ?FREEDOM?). Lee & Peter Crundall handled the contracts and money for FREEDOM I.

FREEDOM I filled up fairly fast and then I heard there was a FREEDOM II. In speaking directly with Lee & Peter Crundall, they continued to assure me that the program would pay. They were never hesitant to use Henry Kissinger?s name, Name Dropping to get you “hooked”. Those who are really involved in Genuine Trading Programs have no need whatsoever to Name Drop. and that he was the Sponsor behind the FREEDOM Programs.

Months went by, and more months went by, and......nothing.....Lee & Peter Crundall?s weekly email updates didn?t really say much of anything, so I decided to call. In talking with Lee Crundall she told me she had

received word all Freedom Participants money had gone to Switzerland. What that really meant, I had no idea...

As time has gone by I?ve since learned about ?other? programs - programs that have NEVER PAID, but unsuspecting participants gave their hard earned money (just as I did) with the expectation of a monetary return! That’s normal. People give their hard earned money to crooks and nothing happens. Heard it time and time again until I am sick of hearing it.

Days, weeks, months, years, have gone by and it is always ?close?, ?soon?, ?imminent?, ?this week?, ?no later than next week?, ?absolutely for sure it won?t go past the end of the month.?, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Now, in trying to figure out just what all these so-called programs are all about and why ?the good guys? can?t seem to overcome ?the bad guys?, I came to the conclusion one had to identify conclusively who the

individuals behind the programs were....Not a lot of clues out there... Sigh Wow, respectfully, you enter a Program and you don’t know who is behind the program. I won’t comment further but you can possibly imagine what my comments would be.

Well, for the FREEDOM, FREEDOM I, and FREEDOM II programs, Lee & Peter Crundall emphatically stated Henry Kissinger was ?The Proud Sponsor? of the Freedom Programs! At break Neck speed, one jumps over the edge of the Cliff based on one man’s name. Oh Dear.

It was interesting to read Casper within the last week or so state that ?Henry Kissinger took the credit for FREEDOM?, but then denied it to the World Court (kinda like a ping pong he went back and forth not sure

if he wanted to take the credit or not). Sigh...(not so conclusive after all...) Double Sigh! He denied it because he didn’t want to give false evidence to the World Court. Wouldn’t look good would it, someone who has the category of World Statesman (questionable issue)..

However, I have been wondering why none of these programs have paid? In the last several years I?ve met people across this continent who still hang on (after years and years of hanging on) that they will get

notification their money is in the bank! There are none so blind as those who can not see.

Front Page Headline:

?Treasurygate?

Really Bigtime Greed

(by Tommy L. Buckley)

Page 22:

?TREASURYGATE? Asserts:

1. The USA is NOT in ?real? economic trouble.

2. The WHITE HOUSE attempted to assassinate three US citizens to perpetuate a cove-up of all the certificates.

3. The US Government arrested five individuals when the assassination attempt failed.

No comment on the first 3 items.

4. The US and about fifteen other nations entered into a secret treaty in the late 40's and early 50's to begin this fraud.

The US was part of the 42 Primary Nations that executed this Treaty and many more. The Secondary Nations approved same, relinquishing rights of execution to the primary Nations.

5. This secret treaty was the original cause of dozens of financial credit instruments to be issued from United States Federal Reserve, Japan, Switzerland, France and the United Kingdom. The issue of these instruments was/is based on actual assets owned by these countries (secretly) but unknown to the citizens and taxpayers.

Totally incorrect and misleading to others. These instruments were issued against assets (Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium, etc) that were secreted away in many countries of the world, not just those countries you have named above. The assets were NOT owned by those countries at all. The Assets were owned legally by the Combined International Collateral Accounts of the Global Debt facility, which in itself was initially an arrangement by the hereditary owners in the 1800’s. It was in 1920 when Emperor Hirohito of Japan designed a system to secure these assets, of which that system was adopted by the Nations of the World under the 1920/21 London Treaty and the Global Debt Facility was born.  

6. One of the purposes in issuing these instruments was to secretly and illegally support other emerging countries identified below: A. Iran, B. India, C. Iraq, D. Cuba, E. Egypt, F. Libya, G. Panama, H. Cambodia, I. Philippines.

The purpose was to support ALL Nations of the World, not just those Nations you refer to above; to develop, expand, and modernize their economies. There was nothing illegal about the operation, but it was held secret.

The names of the leaders identified on these instruments from the above listed countries and others are:

A. Castro,

B. Gamel Abdul Nassar, C. Heng Samrlin,

D. Idi Amin, G. Muammar Kadhafi,

H. Saddam Hussein, I. Mahatma Ghandi,

J. Adnan Kashogi, K. Ferdinand Marcos,

L. Shah of Iran.

These are DEFINITELY, without ANY QUESTION or RESERVATION, ASSETS OF THE COMBINED INTERNATIONAL COLLATERAL ACCOUNTS OF THE GLOBAL DEBT FACILITY.

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Hobie, this secret treaty that was signed by the U.S. and about 15 other countries was signed in the late 40's, early 50's to interestingly enough, ?begin this fraud.?

Not 15 countries as indicated but 42 Primary Nations of the World, who also executed many other Treaties from the late 1800’s right through to the 2003 Bangkok Treaty.

These Treaties were not executed to commence a Fraud as you claim. They were executed legally between all Nations. It was the administrators of the Combined International Collateral Accounts at the time, which was the Trilateral Trillenium Tripartite Gold Commission, that illegal utilized these accounts for fraudulent activities between the years 1945 – 1995.

It would be interesting to read this ?secret treaty.? No chance. All these treaties are held “Secret” at all times.

However, on another thought, I?ve had individuals tell me they know of programs that started ?all the way back in the 60's?, who, to this day, have never been paid. Yes, Hundreds if not thousands of programs all initiated by crooks and conmen, whereby they should not be referred to as Programs because they were SCAMS, nothing but SCAMS.

This is the recurring theme regarding all these programs: It is done by word of mouth, friend to friend, acquaintance to acquaintance, never advertised, very little documentation, and week after week, year after year, of hearing one promise after another promise, that ?the packages are released to be delivered? only to be time and time again let down! Continuously and infinitely I’m afraid. This has been truly heartbreaking for all the thousands of individuals who were given so much hope when they first joined. And sadly, it was false hope... SCAMS of the greatest order and many people have lost their hard earned money. Stop waiting for payments and start to take action to bring the perpetrators of these SCAMS to justice.

So, Hobie, this secret treaty was signed in the late 40's, early 50's, with the sole purpose and intent ?to begin this fraud? on U.S. citizens and taxpayers, plus the citizens and taxpayers of the other 15 nations who

entered into this secret treaty with the U.S.  Totally without foundation. The Treaties did not start the Fraud, it was people whose deviousness started the fraud which usually commenced with the theft of property belonging to the Collateral Accounts of the Global Debt Facility.

With this secret treaty, and the fraud these countries would perpetrate on their own people and their own citizens, they would ultimately perpetrate fraud on all nations, Dozens of financial credit instruments were

issued for the express purpose of committing illegal activities. Wrong Again I’m afraid. You make it sound like the Collateral Accounts and the issue of instruments were to blame for initiating this Fraud. Not so, people commit fraud not bits of paper, and other people, usually greedy for money without having to work for it, or believing it was helping others, fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Simple and straightforward.

Dozens, upon dozens, of programs have come into existence, starting in the 60's - and, albeit, sad to say, none have paid the participants. What they have received is one false hope after another. And HOPE is what they will only receive until they realize how they were duped by their friends, neighbors, associates, etc.

My question is: Are these programs masterfully designed to lure and bait people to participate promising them returns which they never intend to honor?  NO, NO, NO. It is not the programs, it is the people who conned everyone into participating in these programs. Programs just do not jump out of the bushes and ask you if you want to spend your hard earned money to participate. People do that. People who can only be classed as crooks, conmen, or similar and who should be behind bars for very long periods.

For a long time, I didn't want to think negatively, but it now appears that may be the case!? For once you are right on the nail with this comment.

Going back to the FREEDOM PROGRAM, & FREEDOM I, & FREEDOM II, and the individual who is supposedly behind it, Mr. Henry Kissinger, I cannot believe I fell for Lee & Peter Crundall?s line,

?Henry wanted to help the economy after 9-11. He really is a kind man, regardless of what you may have heard, or read, about him on the internet!?  Let’s all laugh, Ha, Ha, Even a comedian wouldn’t use that line.

Boy! Was I ever ?STUCK ON STUPID!? He is New World Order all the way - front and back, inside and out!  

I wouldn’t say STUPID, more NAÏVE.

So, guess where all the Freedom Participants money went? Well, Lee Crundall told me directly she had it confirmed it was in ?Switzerland.? Probably to one of the Collateral Accounts held in Switzerland , of which there are many held by the Banks in Switzerland. Hmmmm, Switzerland is one of the nations that signed the ?Secret Treaty? ?to begin this fraud? NO, NO, NO. Refer my comments above on this. and to help CONTINUE the fraud! It is quite obvious whose pockets the Freedom Participants have lined (and it certainly wasn?t ours)!!! Some of the Banks in Switzerland have continuously perpetrated fraud, UBS especially, so the participants money may have been grabbed by the crooked bankers there.

I can hear them saying, ?We?ll keep dangling the carrot in front of them, sending out those ridiculous updates, week after week, that says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! CORRECT!!!!!! We have them so mesmerized that we can feed them the same bullshit week after week - they will eat anything we send them!? Lee & Peter Crundall?s website for weekly updates for Freedom Members is: www.gtgfab.com It is absolutely, and completely, a total waste of time!  A TOTAL and ABSOLUTE wate of one’s time.

Sorry about the harshness and blunt approach I have taken but I’ve heard this thousands of time, so much so I am sick of hearing it. If only people would face the TRUTH and admit it to them selves.

May I suggest you learn more on this matter by going to www.unoitc.org whereby if that doesn’t enlighten you, then nothing will, and you will wait forever to infinity for payments.

STOP all these FALSE HOPES. Get on with your lives and put it down to experience.  You will be better for it, but don’t forget to call in the authorities and get these conmen put behind bars for a very long time.

Kindest regards

Whistleblower.

 

On 23/05/2009, Bellringer <bellringer@fourwinds10.com> wrote: