titioner for some years and have written four books on alternative health. FDA abuses have become the norm, and gradually I came to understand how dangerous the federal government has become to our freedoms.

"My purpose in writing this book is to awaken more people to the fact that these are very dangerous times for America. More and more of the rights we take for granted are being lost. Too many politicians have sold out to the special interests, and most people are too busy watching TV to notice or take responsibility for what is happening. In the name of stopping illegal drugs and crime, our rights are gradually being forfeited, as the federal government tightens control over the people.

"I have also written this book so that people can more easily look at the whole picture. I have focused my research on extracting information from hundreds of books, newspapers, and magazines so that people can more easily understand what is taking place in America. Some might say that several stories of government abuse that are heard in one part of the country don't appear too threatening. Yet when you look at many different incidents all across the country and grasp the full picture it is clear that something is wrong."

Gurudas' book has thirty-one pages containing 833 footnotes and an eleven page bibliography. He maintains that his book is totally documented from public records, with no theory. When asked why he wrote the book he said, "It's simple. I don't want our country to become a dictatorship. So, I did my research, and wrote my book." (Gurudas' 320 page documented book, Treason: the New World Order may be ordered by calling 1-800-255-2665 or by writing to Cassandra Press, Inc., P.O. Box 150868, San Rafael, CA 94915. Cost is $14.95 + $4.00 shipping)

LE: How did you come to write your new book?

Gurudas: This is the fifth book I have written. The first four deal with natural healing and metaphysical concepts. I wrote this book, Treason: The New World Order, because it became very clear to me that we are moving toward a police state, one which will be far more vicious than Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, mainly because the technology is so advanced.

History shows us that there are individuals who want to control everyone and everything. My main focus was to combine lots of different information from many sources, supported by footnotes. There are 833 footnotes in all in my book. This makes it easy for people with busy schedules to investigate this subject. Our country is very much like Germany in the 1930's. At that time, in Germany, people were very busy with their personal and professional lives and did not want to get involved in politics, so a person like Hitler could take control of their country. There were some who gave warnings but they were considered negative and radical. Today, as then, gun control was brought in. Our gun control bill was taken almost word for word from the 1938 gun control law in Germany. There are a number of similarities between the two countries.

There is a plan to create confusion and fear in our country. Then bring in leaders who guide us toward a police state. One of the main focuses of my book is describing the threat to our country as a free society. This threat is created by corporations and banks. Many solutions have been suggested about how to handle this problem of centralized economic power. One suggestion is to return to our political heritage, to restore our constitutional government with its checks and balances. At one time corporations had to exist for the good of the community. In what way are these large corporations that are closing down in the U.S. and moving hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas serving the welfare of our communities? The system of checks and balances and our heritage has been gradually lost. The states have lowered their standards (for monitoring the corporations) and less and less has been required in each state now.

In hundreds of books, articles, and speeches in the 20^th century, many influential and powerful people, including many in Congress, have called for a New World Order, and the surrender of U.S. sovereignty and individual freedoms to a one world government, usually involving the U.N. military and the transfer of it to a one world U.N. army.

LE: This is talked about openly in these many sources?

Gurudas: Very much so.

LE: If this information is public knowledge, why is it not filtering down more to the average person?

Gurudas: It is because the national media attacks people who discuss these issues and the media never refers to this body of literature. This is a classic example of how propaganda is used in modern times.

Throughout the 20^th century this movement toward a one world government has been marching on. This is not new or recent. In his book Critical Path Buckminster Fuller gives a very impressive sweep of the 20^th century, about the large corporations and their agents and the lawyers who basically control the country far more than the people understand. He talked about how all the gold was removed from Fort Knox by the 1960's.

LE: Where did it go?

Gurudas: It went to the banks. They own the country. Fuller called the CIA, "capitalism's invisible army."

Born into an English aristocratic family, the philosopher Bertrand Russell played a role in the British branch of the secret government. In his The Impact of Science On Society he discussed the planned terror: "I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing," he said. "War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full (of people). The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people's. There are three ways of securing a society that shall be stable as regards population. The first is that of birth control. The second is that of infanticide or really destructive wars. And the third is that of general misery, except for a powerful minority." His point is population control.

LE: That's a pretty incredible quote!

Gurudas: Yes. Various investigators, like John Coleman, report that the Club of Rome developed a plan called "Global 2000" to kill several billion people by 2050. The mass killings in Cambodia and Africa are early stages of this operation. That is their plan. They want to drastically cut back the population.

Jacques Cousteau said, "It's terrible to say this, (but) world population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day! In one year that would equal 128,000,000 people." Cousteau urged "drastic, unconventional decisions."

LE: By what means do these people plan to do this?

Gurudas: By radiation, and biological and chemical experiments on our unknowing population. I mention other methods in my book. Another way to end overpopulation is by controlling the family. Warren Bennis and Philip Slater said, in The Temporary Society, "One cannot permit submission to parental authority if one wished to bring about profound social change...In order to effect rapid changes, any such centralized regime must mount a vigorous attack on the family lest the traditions of present generations be preserved." The state must, the book continues, "create an experiential chasm between parents and children, to insulate the latter in order that they can more easily be indoctrinated with new ideas. The desire may be to cause an even more total submission to the state."

LE: Your documentation is certainly worthwhile.

Gurudas: There was an article in Clinical Psychiatric Psychiatry News in October, 1994 which describes a new disease that is called "government phobia." The article says, "This appears to be becoming epidemic in the U.S." This parallels the Soviet Union; if you disagree with the government, you are said to be crazy. People are beginning to be locked up in a Federal hospital in Missouri, where they are using extreme drugs on them which affect their minds, which, again, is very much like the Soviet KGB (would do).

However, there are powerful elements in the military determined to uphold the Constitution and protect the people. Gary Allen, who has written several books, openly says that he has met with several prominent military officers and they are aware of the corporate international network that seeks to enslave the world. The military may intervene to arrest key political, business and media leaders, according to my research, charging them with treason.

There has been a long, quiet standoff between the military and the secret government. Each watches the other with a full range of surveillance activities used.

LE: It is certainly excellent that your information is available to people who will take the time to read it.

Gurudas: On talk radio every day the deep anger toward the Federal government is obvious, and people are admitting that they do not want their rights taken from them. When the American people are aroused, great change can result, in my opinion.

History teaches that the secret government will not back down. In 1857 Frederick Douglas warned, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

LE: You have certainly given our readers a lot of "food for thought." Do you have a closing comment you would care to make?

Gurudas: I believe that enough people will awaken in time to prevent the New World Order police state, and that we as a people can continue moving closer to God's love and grace. The human race has today reached a critical turning point. We, as a people, will soon undergo great advancement in our spiritual evolution, or there will be a sharp collapse in consciousness. I pray that God's grace will continue to shine on our country and that the vision of freedom and morality the Founding Fathers so sacrificed for, will once again be restored in America. What is ultimately at stake here is whether America, and indeed the planet, will continue under a hierarchical society, where few rule the many, or we can exist under Divine law in a truly democratic republic where we are all equal before God.

Interviewed By Kenneth and Dee Burke

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/treason_new_world_order.htm

Posted March 2, 2010